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Old 12-11-2012, 05:09 PM #1
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Default Can you still be an ATG if you lost three times to big under dogs?

I'm not talking about fights like JMM vs Pacquaio or Holyfield vs Tyson. Those are four ATG fighters, so what ever 'line' is put out should not matter.

I'm talking like
Wladimir vs Sanders type
Lewis vs Rahman
Tyson vs Douglas

that type of under dog.

Can you still be an ATG if you lose THREE TIMES to under dogs like that PRIOR to you passing your prime. ?
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Depends what you do after that or what you have already done.
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Depends what you do after that or what you have already done.
Also what they do helps too. If they were a huge underdog because no one really knew them and they went on to be big it has a lot less of an impact.
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I evaluate fighters more on a summation of their accomplishments, rather than focusing too much on a few losses.
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Fighting as many opponents as possible, even if not always winning, is still better than ducking many potentially dangerous opponents and being undefeated.
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The examples you've used aren't ATG so I'm not sure what your criterior is.
Passed greats can loose a decs. when their at their end (prime) or in their youth but as someone mentioned if they've already attained greatness then their the ones who hang around to long will loose some bouts, its the course.
Sugar Ray lost a few decs to Harrington at the end of his career, nobody cares. Ray got to go to Hawaii for few months and had a great time other than fighting that crazy southpaw!!!

Young fans place WAY to MUCH emphasis on losses, I guess because of Mayweather but Mayweather has maintained his record by avoiding high caliber opponents. Not exactly the way to maintain a undefeated record!

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I'm not talking about fights like JMM vs Pacquaio or Holyfield vs Tyson. Those are four ATG fighters, so what ever 'line' is put out should not matter.

I'm talking like
Wladimir vs Sanders type
Lewis vs Rahman
Tyson vs Douglas

that type of under dog.

Can you still be an ATG if you lose THREE TIMES to under dogs like that PRIOR to you passing your prime. ?
Well....since none of the fighters you've mentioned lost 3 times as described, except Klitschko, it's clear that it's just another one of your periodic attacks on the Klitschkos. I'm surprised at your tenacity and illogicality, but...... as Einstein and Forrest Gump both said, eah in his own way, "stupid is as stupid does, in doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different result'.....

I suppose it'll be a week or so before the next attack.
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The examples you've used aren't ATG so I'm not sure what your criterior is.
Passed greats can loose a decs. when their at their end (prime) or in their youth but as someone mentioned if they've already attained greatness then their the ones who hang around to long will loose some bouts, its the course.
Sugar Ray lost a few decs to Harrington at the end of his career, nobody cares. Ray got to go to Hawaii for few months and had a great time other than fighting that crazy southpaw!!!

Young fans place WAY to MUCH emphasis on losses, I guess because of Mayweather but Mayweather has maintained his record by avoiding high caliber opponents. Not exactly the way to maintain a undefeated record!

Ray
Weeell, it IS actually the way to maintain an undefeated record. You may not recall, because writing habits change, and writers change, but the analysts and writers some years ago always used to mentions Mayweather's "Brains Trust" (probably meaning his father and uncles, and maybe one other) who carefully selected his opponents, to give his the maximum advantage, with the least possible risk. Oscar's matchup guys also used to be called his "Brains Trust".

But, as I say, people and writers have changed and nobody remembers this.
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I'm not talking about fights like JMM vs Pacquaio or Holyfield vs Tyson. Those are four ATG fighters, so what ever 'line' is put out should not matter.

I'm talking like
Wladimir vs Sanders type
Lewis vs Rahman
Tyson vs Douglas

that type of under dog.

Can you still be an ATG if you lose THREE TIMES to under dogs like that PRIOR to you passing your prime. ?
Ali lost to Leon Spinks, Ken Norton, Trvor Berbeck and That skinny white guy who should have won by knock out if Ali didn't get a long count and Dundee didn't tear the gloves to give Ali more time to recover. Chavez lost to Randell but Randell was on EPO when they fought Whitaker lost to Jose Luis Ramirez a C plus fighter
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