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Old 12-09-2012, 10:10 PM
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Default 20 yrs from now how will we view pac mans career?

assuming he retires now.
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Old 12-09-2012, 10:29 PM
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There's a lot of euphoria to wear off. I honestly can't be certain.

If I had to take a guess, I would say history will notice that he was carefully guided after a certain point. There are question marks in my opinion.

He was and is a legitimate great, but at 147, his advantages were outweighed by his limitations. That's why he took so many well-timed fights as of late.

I think the Marquez rematches were slip-ups. Especially considering last night. Marquez was the wrong opponent for him at higher weights, where it became more of a match of their brains than of their physical attributes.
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Old 12-09-2012, 10:44 PM
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There's a lot of euphoria to wear off. I honestly can't be certain.

If I had to take a guess, I would say history will notice that he was carefully guided after a certain point. There are question marks in my opinion.

He was and is a legitimate great, but at 147, his advantages were outweighed by his limitations. That's why he took so many well-timed fights as of late.

I think the Marquez rematches were slip-ups. Especially considering last night. Marquez was the wrong opponent for him at higher weights, where it became more of a match of their brains than of their physical attributes.
Could you elaborate on your statement about the higher weights. Are you saying that at the higher weights Pacquiao's advantages were lessened? Speed wise? I do not disagree I like your point but I am a bit confused as to what it means.
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Old 12-09-2012, 10:53 PM
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He's a legitimate all time great.
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Old 12-09-2012, 10:55 PM
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Could you elaborate on your statement about the higher weights. Are you saying that at the higher weights Pacquiao's advantages were lessened? Speed wise? I do not disagree I like your point but I am a bit confused as to what it means.
As he went higher in weight, his power was going to meet up against sterner chins, and vice versa. His speed didn't decline too much, even now it's elite.

He was going to have more disadvantages fighting natural welterweights than if he had stayed at a lower weight. He's a little dude.
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Old 12-10-2012, 04:22 AM
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We will still praise him as an ATG.

I felt that brutal KO lifted Marquez's legacy more than it damaged Pacquiao's.
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Old 12-10-2012, 04:23 AM
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I think he's likely to be underrated. He's not properly rated even now, he's either overrated or underrated by those caught up in each current moment of his active career.
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Old 12-10-2012, 04:26 AM
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He'll be remembered as the greatest fighter of his era and up their with the top 3 all time.
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Old 12-10-2012, 05:28 AM
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An elite ATG top 12 fighter in modern boxing history.

He revolutionized the sport by going from flyweight to welterweight
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Old 12-10-2012, 06:25 AM
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He'll be remembered as the greatest fighter of his era and up their with the top 3 all time.
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