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Old 12-09-2012, 06:10 AM
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If you didn't believe MP was > than FMJ before he (Manny) beat Hatton, ODLH, SSM, Cotto, Clottey and Margarito, then you really have no basis to believe he is after he beat these guys.

So hands up how many bscene members, media or anyone who thought Manny was > than Floyd before these wins??

Floyd beat better versions of ODLH, Hatton and SSM. He also beat a version of Cotto on par with the one Manny fought at 145, or slightly "less good." That leaves Clottey (largely irrelevant, though a good win) and a Margarito at 150, who just had just been skull ****ed by SSM, and let's not even mention the accumulated punishment from Clottey, Williams, Cotto and every other guy he essentially beat by making them break their hands and lose their stamina on his skull and chin.

So really, how can anyone who didn't already believe MP was better before this so called run believe it now?????????
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Old 12-09-2012, 06:10 AM
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It probably hurts to know that deep down inside, you know that 15 years down the line, know one will remember the things that you just said and most will see Pac top 15.

Hurts, doesn't it?
Pac won't be top 50. Historians are not pactards.

When they weigh what Pacquiao has done, the only value that will get him through the door will be his fights against Barrera and Morales.

JMM II - indecisive

DLH - coming off loss & weight drained

Hatton - coming off 1st loss & damaged after KO to Floyd

Cotto - coming off destruction by Margarito & drained

Clottey - coming off loss to Cotto and never been world class

Margarito - coming off KO loss and still banned at time of fight & drained

Mosley - coming off loss & looked terrible in next 2 fights

JMM III - clear win for JMM despite Pacquiao having him come up to a weight he claims he could not make till this day.

Bradley - jrWW who woke up midway through the fight and took the win.

JMMIV - Marquez brings the ruckus and knocks Emmanuel the fcuk out.

Take those fights away(and a historian could not factor in those matches as legacy wins because of the conditions) and Pacquiao has to rely on the rest of his resume.

He may not break top 100.

Manny was already demoted before he fought Bradley. Manny isn't #2 any longer.

He was never #1 because he never beat anyone to become #1. Manny was never the #1 WW. Manny was never the #1 jrMW. As of November Manny wasn't the #1 anything.

We all knew this was coming. All of the talk about "has Manny aged?" was just softening the blow. The excuses were already made. The scenario was already painted out.

Before Manny and Tim stepped in the ring, the whispers had already begun .. the seeds had already been planted .. the doubts were already apparent.

This performance by Manny was not worse than his performance against JMM or Clottey. Its just that his fans are not impartial and only see Manny doing well.

Those days are over. They hype is on a billboard for everyone to see.

Regardless of how this may have been orchestrated so that a rematch resulted, this match was important as it demonstrated what some of us have been saying for years: Manny only has his jab, jab straight left hand and once he's fighting someone who can actually box AND MOVE, he's a dud. This is the third time in a row we've seen Emmanuel look lost against a fighter who can stick and move. And after tonight, Emmanuel Pacquiao was exposed for being a hype job who, once he fights someone who isn't weight drained, looks exactly like Vonda Ward in her match against Ann Wolf.


Pacfans are right. There is no argument anymore.

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Old 12-09-2012, 06:13 AM
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Pac won't be top 50. Historians are not pactards.

When they weigh what Pacquiao has done, the only value that will get him through the door will be his fights against Barrera and Morales.

JMM II - indecisive

DLH - coming off loss & weight drained

Hatton - coming off 1st loss & damaged after KO to Floyd

Cotto - coming off destruction by Margarito & drained

Clottey - coming off loss to Cotto and never been world class

Margarito - coming off KO loss and still banned at time of fight & drained

Mosley - coming off loss & looked terrible in next 2 fights

JMM III - clear win for JMM despite Pacquiao having him come up to a weight he claims he could not make till this day.

Bradley - jrWW who woke up midway through the fight and took the win.

JMMIV - Marquez brings the ruckus and knocks Emmanuel the fcuk out.

Take those fights away(and a historian could not factor in those matches as legacy wins because of the conditions) and Pacquiao has to rely on the rest of his resume.

He may not break top 100.

Manny was already demoted before he fought Bradley. Manny isn't #2 any longer.

He was never #1 because he never beat anyone to become #1. Manny was never the #1 WW. Manny was never the #1 jrMW. As of November Manny wasn't the #1 anything.

We all knew this was coming. All of the talk about "has Manny aged?" was just softening the blow. The excuses were already made. The scenario was already painted out.

Before Manny and Tim stepped in the ring, the whispers had already begun .. the seeds had already been planted .. the doubts were already apparent.

This performance by Manny was not worse than his performance against JMM or Clottey. Its just that his fans are not impartial and only see Manny doing well.

Those days are over. They hype is on a billboard for everyone to see.

Regardless of how this may have been orchestrated so that a rematch resulted, this match was important as it demonstrated what some of us have been saying for years: Manny only has his jab, jab straight left hand and once he's fighting someone who can actually box AND MOVE, he's a dud. And after tonight, Emmanuel Pacquiao was exposed for being a hype job who, once he fights someone who isn't weight drained, looks like Vonda Ward in her match against Ann Wolf.

Pacfans are right. There is no argument anymore.

Slap your self for taking the time to write all of that
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Old 12-09-2012, 06:13 AM
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Pac won't be top 50. Historians are not pactards.

When they weigh what Pacquiao has done, the only value that will get him through the door will be his fights against Barrera and Morales.

JMM II - indecisive

DLH - coming off loss & weight drained

Hatton - coming off 1st loss & damaged after KO to Floyd

Cotto - coming off destruction by Margarito & drained

Clottey - coming off loss to Cotto and never been world class

Margarito - coming off KO loss and still banned at time of fight & drained

Mosley - coming off loss & looked terrible in next 2 fights

JMM III - clear win for JMM despite Pacquiao having him come up to a weight he claims he could not make till this day.

Bradley - jrWW who woke up midway through the fight and took the win.

JMMIV - Marquez brings the ruckus and knocks Emmanuel the fcuk out.

Take those fights away(and a historian could not factor in those matches as legacy wins because of the conditions) and Pacquiao has to rely on the rest of his resume.

He may not break top 100.

Manny was already demoted before he fought Bradley. Manny isn't #2 any longer.

He was never #1 because he never beat anyone to become #1. Manny was never the #1 WW. Manny was never the #1 jrMW. As of November Manny wasn't the #1 anything.

We all knew this was coming. All of the talk about "has Manny aged?" was just softening the blow. The excuses were already made. The scenario was already painted out.

Before Manny and Tim stepped in the ring, the whispers had already begun .. the seeds had already been planted .. the doubts were already apparent.

This performance by Manny was not worse than his performance against JMM or Clottey. Its just that his fans are not impartial and only see Manny doing well.

Those days are over. They hype is on a billboard for everyone to see.

Regardless of how this may have been orchestrated so that a rematch resulted, this match was important as it demonstrated what some of us have been saying for years: Manny only has his jab, jab straight left hand and once he's fighting someone who can actually box AND MOVE, he's a dud. And after tonight, Emmanuel Pacquiao was exposed for being a hype job who, once he fights someone who isn't weight drained, looks like Vonda Ward in her match against Ann Wolf.

Pacfans are right. There is no argument anymore.
Floyd wont be either.

Joe Calazaghe has a better career than floyd. He will be ranked 2 spots higher than floyd for sure dawg.
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Old 12-09-2012, 06:15 AM
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Floyd wont be either.

Joe Calazaghe has a better career than floyd.
He will be ranked 2 spots higher than floyd for sure dawg.
*sighs..... This comment just reminded me why i rarely rarely post here anymore... with that said, goodbye and goodnight
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If you didn't believe MP was > than FMJ before he (Manny) beat Hatton, ODLH, SSM, Cotto, Clottey and Margarito, then you really have no basis to believe he is after he beat these guys.

So hands up how many bscene members, media or anyone who thought Manny was > than Floyd before these wins??

Floyd beat better versions of ODLH, Hatton and SSM. He also beat a version of Cotto on par with the one Manny fought at 145, or slightly "less good." That leaves Clottey (largely irrelevant, though a good win) and a Margarito at 150, who just had just been skull ****ed by SSM, and let's not even mention the accumulated punishment from Clottey, Williams, Cotto and every other guy he essentially beat by making them break their hands and lose their stamina on his skull and chin.

So really, how can anyone who didn't already believe MP was better before this so called run believe it now?????????
LOL.

a flowmo riding JMM like crazy i see.

JMM >> than floyd.
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Old 12-09-2012, 06:19 AM
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LOL. doesnt mean sh1t to real boxing fans.
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Old 12-09-2012, 06:20 AM
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Slap your self for taking the time to write all of that
Funny **** is that post is from earlier this year.

Shit didn't change.

Its just proven more so now.

Deal with it.
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Old 12-09-2012, 06:23 AM
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Doesnt mean sh1t son.

Fighters gets KOed, ATG as that. Duran, Morales, PAC etc. Only fanboys opinions will change.

Your insults doesnt change his achievement. next.
He's not even in the P4P top-10 anymore
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