Bookmark Website  | Free Registration  | The Team
Boxing Champions |  Boxing Schedule |  Boxing Video  |  Boxing History   |  Pound For Pound  | Lounge  | The Wire |  Audio  | Arcade

Navigation
Go Back   Boxing Forum > Boxing Forums > Non Stop Boxing
Reply
Thread Navigation

#11
Old 12-05-2012, 11:46 AM
APPONO ASTOS
Faceless Man
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 7,338
Rep Power: 20 APPONO ASTOS has a reputation beyond reputeAPPONO ASTOS has a reputation beyond reputeAPPONO ASTOS has a reputation beyond reputeAPPONO ASTOS has a reputation beyond reputeAPPONO ASTOS has a reputation beyond reputeAPPONO ASTOS has a reputation beyond reputeAPPONO ASTOS has a reputation beyond reputeAPPONO ASTOS has a reputation beyond reputeAPPONO ASTOS has a reputation beyond reputeAPPONO ASTOS has a reputation beyond reputeAPPONO ASTOS has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 100,086,439.43
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 100,086,439.43
thanks for your thoughts on the thread - robson24 
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by -Johannes- View Post
Imagine if Arce beats Nonito? Oh boy...
i don't think any amount of peds would give arce a chance of beating donaire....
Reply With Quote
APPONO ASTOS is offline
Advertisements
>>>TO REMOVE THESE ADS, PLEASE REGISTER HERE FOR FREE<<<
#12
Old 12-05-2012, 11:48 AM
Dr Rumack
Vaya con Dios
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 5,007
Rep Power: 19 Dr Rumack has a reputation beyond reputeDr Rumack has a reputation beyond reputeDr Rumack has a reputation beyond reputeDr Rumack has a reputation beyond reputeDr Rumack has a reputation beyond reputeDr Rumack has a reputation beyond reputeDr Rumack has a reputation beyond reputeDr Rumack has a reputation beyond reputeDr Rumack has a reputation beyond reputeDr Rumack has a reputation beyond reputeDr Rumack has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 3,017,000,143,931.08
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 3,017,000,143,931.08
knowledgeable poster - thuggery for being a solid poster - Cuauhtémoc1520 Great poster - E.P.T. Good poster. Thumbs up, Doc! - CubanGuyNYC eat fresh - sugarsmosley 
To a great poster - jas 
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by IMDAZED View Post
What would make you say that??
It seems strange that this guy has such a low profile in boxing generally, if he is in fact the conditioning coach of choice for 9 elite fighters.

If that large a cohort of world class fighters is using this one guy for their conditioning work, it seems probably that there would have been more stories on what makes him such a top trainer.

I'm not saying it proves anything, just that it is somewhat unusual.
Reply With Quote
Dr Rumack is online now
#13
Old 12-05-2012, 11:50 AM
IMDAZED
You'll resort to race
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Zamunda
Posts: 31,847
Rep Power: 90 IMDAZED has a reputation beyond reputeIMDAZED has a reputation beyond reputeIMDAZED has a reputation beyond reputeIMDAZED has a reputation beyond reputeIMDAZED has a reputation beyond reputeIMDAZED has a reputation beyond reputeIMDAZED has a reputation beyond reputeIMDAZED has a reputation beyond reputeIMDAZED has a reputation beyond reputeIMDAZED has a reputation beyond reputeIMDAZED has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 1,000,002,003,165,493,120.00
Bank: 112,689,252,876,071.00
Total Points: 1,000,114,692,418,369,152.00
for knowing your stuff! - natas206 thanks for the info. - TRUTH For that homerun of a post, bud. - Sweet Pea 50 An apple for one of BoxingScene's most knowledgeable posters - danc1984 BOOM - Fiend 
Excellent poster - ADDICT MOH. For continously educating NSB. - BattlingNelson been a while mate! - Tamis_Siensya No Message - WESS 
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr Rumack View Post
It seems strange that this guy has such a low profile in boxing generally, if he is in fact the conditioning coach of choice for 9 elite fighters.

If that large a cohort of world class fighters is using this one guy for their conditioning work, it seems probably that there would have been more stories on what makes him such a top trainer.

I'm not saying it proves anything, just that it is somewhat unusual.
Yeah but you said he can't be that good of a conditioning coach. What's that based on?
Reply With Quote
IMDAZED is offline
#14
Old 12-05-2012, 11:54 AM
-Johannes-
Tornadito de Tijuana
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 2,170
Rep Power: 13 -Johannes- has a reputation beyond repute-Johannes- has a reputation beyond repute-Johannes- has a reputation beyond repute-Johannes- has a reputation beyond repute-Johannes- has a reputation beyond repute-Johannes- has a reputation beyond repute-Johannes- has a reputation beyond repute-Johannes- has a reputation beyond repute-Johannes- has a reputation beyond repute-Johannes- has a reputation beyond repute-Johannes- has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 45,199,969,356.77
Bank: 757,436,492.45
Total Points: 45,957,405,849.22
Happy Holidays.. - !! AI-Holmes!! un cafesito - Cleto_Reyes Happy New Year. - Round 1 here's a gift.. - chiguy91 here's another one... - chiguy91 
No Message - chiguy91 thanks - Daniel Alpha I'm out of green Here's a burger doe! - -jose- 
AIDS/HIV - DARE - DUI Awareness - Epidermolysis Bullosa - Heart Disease - Lymphoma - MADD - Substance Abuse - !! AI-Holmes!! Bone Marrow Donation - Childhood Depression - Depression - Environment - Eye Injury Prevention - Glaucoma - Kidney Cancer - Kidney Disease - Kidney Transplantation - Leukemia - Lyme Disease - Mental Retardation - Missing Children - Organ Donation - T - !! AI-Holmes!! Cesarean Sections - Headaches - Hospice Care - Multiple Myeloma - chiguy91 
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr Rumack View Post
It seems strange that this guy has such a low profile in boxing generally, if he is in fact the conditioning coach of choice for 9 elite fighters.

If that large a cohort of world class fighters is using this one guy for their conditioning work, it seems probably that there would have been more stories on what makes him such a top trainer.

I'm not saying it proves anything, just that it is somewhat unusual.
So he didn't do a good job for Marquez in the third Pacquiao fight? I would assume that's how he gain recognition. Remember almost everyone thought Marquez was going to get KOd or at the very least he did much better than people anticipated.
Reply With Quote
-Johannes- is offline
#15
Old 12-05-2012, 11:54 AM
Dr Rumack
Vaya con Dios
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 5,007
Rep Power: 19 Dr Rumack has a reputation beyond reputeDr Rumack has a reputation beyond reputeDr Rumack has a reputation beyond reputeDr Rumack has a reputation beyond reputeDr Rumack has a reputation beyond reputeDr Rumack has a reputation beyond reputeDr Rumack has a reputation beyond reputeDr Rumack has a reputation beyond reputeDr Rumack has a reputation beyond reputeDr Rumack has a reputation beyond reputeDr Rumack has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 3,017,000,143,931.08
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 3,017,000,143,931.08
knowledgeable poster - thuggery for being a solid poster - Cuauhtémoc1520 Great poster - E.P.T. Good poster. Thumbs up, Doc! - CubanGuyNYC eat fresh - sugarsmosley 
To a great poster - jas 
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by IMDAZED View Post
Yeah but you said he can't be that good of a conditioning coach. What's that based on?
As I said, it's based on my being suspicious that he could be that big a figure in conditioning coaching in boxing and not have a higher profile.

In cycling, when such clustering of athletes around conditioning experts with a history of steroid distribution occurred, they generally turned out to be doping rings.
Reply With Quote
Dr Rumack is online now
#16
Old 12-05-2012, 11:55 AM
IMDAZED
You'll resort to race
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Zamunda
Posts: 31,847
Rep Power: 90 IMDAZED has a reputation beyond reputeIMDAZED has a reputation beyond reputeIMDAZED has a reputation beyond reputeIMDAZED has a reputation beyond reputeIMDAZED has a reputation beyond reputeIMDAZED has a reputation beyond reputeIMDAZED has a reputation beyond reputeIMDAZED has a reputation beyond reputeIMDAZED has a reputation beyond reputeIMDAZED has a reputation beyond reputeIMDAZED has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 1,000,002,003,165,493,120.00
Bank: 112,689,252,876,071.00
Total Points: 1,000,114,692,418,369,152.00
for knowing your stuff! - natas206 thanks for the info. - TRUTH For that homerun of a post, bud. - Sweet Pea 50 An apple for one of BoxingScene's most knowledgeable posters - danc1984 BOOM - Fiend 
Excellent poster - ADDICT MOH. For continously educating NSB. - BattlingNelson been a while mate! - Tamis_Siensya No Message - WESS 
Default

The interesting thing is how people think he's doing all this in the dark. No, he just doesn't talk to media...most strength and conditioning coaches don't. The fact that he's working with nine champions indicates that he is very well-known. People didn't know who Alex Ariza was until he began running his mouth with Pacquiao. But it turns out he'd been in the sport for years, working with the likes of Morales and Corrales.
Reply With Quote
IMDAZED is offline
#17
Old 12-05-2012, 11:57 AM
APPONO ASTOS
Faceless Man
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 7,338
Rep Power: 20 APPONO ASTOS has a reputation beyond reputeAPPONO ASTOS has a reputation beyond reputeAPPONO ASTOS has a reputation beyond reputeAPPONO ASTOS has a reputation beyond reputeAPPONO ASTOS has a reputation beyond reputeAPPONO ASTOS has a reputation beyond reputeAPPONO ASTOS has a reputation beyond reputeAPPONO ASTOS has a reputation beyond reputeAPPONO ASTOS has a reputation beyond reputeAPPONO ASTOS has a reputation beyond reputeAPPONO ASTOS has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 100,086,439.43
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 100,086,439.43
thanks for your thoughts on the thread - robson24 
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by IMDAZED View Post
Yeah but you said he can't be that good of a conditioning coach. What's that based on?
could be the fact that a bunch of world class boxers (and other potential world class fighters) have been working with him, but all except maybe marquez have acknowledged the success they've had with his methods. if he was truly doing things cleanly and effectively wouldn't more boxers be supporting him and backing his methods as being not only very effective, but absolutely clean? (like donaire has done with conte) i don't see how keeping things secret is a good thing for heredia if he wants there to be no doubts behind his methods (if anything it just makes him seem more shady of a person).

Last edited by APPONO ASTOS; 12-05-2012 at 11:59 AM.
Reply With Quote
APPONO ASTOS is offline
#18
Old 12-05-2012, 11:59 AM
GoldSugar
Banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 516
Rep Power: 0 GoldSugar is infamous around these partsGoldSugar is infamous around these partsGoldSugar is infamous around these partsGoldSugar is infamous around these partsGoldSugar is infamous around these partsGoldSugar is infamous around these partsGoldSugar is infamous around these partsGoldSugar is infamous around these partsGoldSugar is infamous around these partsGoldSugar is infamous around these partsGoldSugar is infamous around these parts
Points: 25,888.57
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 25,888.57
Default

Who cares? how many strength and conditioning coaches do we actually even know about?

people are paranoid these days. ......and define "world champions" please. not that hard to pick up a paper title these days.
Reply With Quote
GoldSugar is offline
#19
Old 12-05-2012, 11:59 AM
New England
Heavy Duty
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Boston.
Posts: 27,913
Rep Power: 102 New England has a reputation beyond reputeNew England has a reputation beyond reputeNew England has a reputation beyond reputeNew England has a reputation beyond reputeNew England has a reputation beyond reputeNew England has a reputation beyond reputeNew England has a reputation beyond reputeNew England has a reputation beyond reputeNew England has a reputation beyond reputeNew England has a reputation beyond reputeNew England has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 6,002,681,658,701.10
Bank: 144,967,919,236,469.34
Total Points: 150,970,600,895,170.44
Congrats on 3000 First Class Posts buddy! - The Surgeon Merry Christmas - The Surgeon for a great poster! - sweetpea87 Drinks on me brother - BoxingGenius27 I hate boxing too, lmaaoooooooooooo - Sweet Pea 50 
thanks for the green...always enjoy reading your post...green you once I can again... - jose830 great poster award - jazluvr Merry Christmas bro. Kick back and enjoy. Surround yourself with your loved ones and have a cold one. - deanrw Happy Holidays  New England - !! AI-Holmes!! Ma nigguh, you should come to Ol' England. - D-MiZe 
for entering the weed thread! - HUGH JASS BoxingScene's Educator-in-chief - Dr Rumack i didn't know you live in that area affected, my heart goes out to you...stay strong homie - jose830 #freeNewEnglang - thuggery Coming home on parole brew. - Sweet Pea 50 
top poster and cool story in my thread of how you first joined boxingscene. - HUGH JASS happy independence day you zulu warrior!!! - HUGH JASS For the fitness and nutrition advice, thanks. - jas A top poster - jas For being a roided up freakazoid - Cuauhtémoc1520 
Childhood Cancer - khepesh Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - jazluvr World Trade Center Victims and Heroes - Fireworks Safety - jose830 Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - jose830 World Trade Center Victims and Heroes - Fireworks Safety - -jose- 
Troop and Military Support - Amber Alert - Bladder Cancer - Endometriosis - Equality - Liver Cancer - Liver Disease - Missing Children - POW/MIA - Spina Bifida - Suicide - -jose- Childhood Cancer - sugarsmosley World Trade Center Victims and Heroes - Fireworks Safety - HughJass AIDS/HIV - DARE - DUI Awareness - Epidermolysis Bullosa - Heart Disease - Lymphoma - MADD - Substance Abuse - jas World Trade Center Victims and Heroes - Fireworks Safety - sugarsmosley 
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DoktorSleepless View Post
http://maxboxing.com/news/promo-lead...amation-suits-


It bothers me that there are 9 world champions out there who aren't public about working with Heredia more than them working with Heredia itself.

He works in Mexico, right? So who are the current Mexican champions?


you'd keep this a secret only if you are cheating.

there is no other explanation that i'm aware of.

why the hell would you keep the fighters you work with a secret if you are a legitimate conditioning coach?


S and C coaches are pretty much the only ones bringing the PED's into boxing, according to freddie roach. i believe him.
Reply With Quote
New England is offline
#20
Old 12-05-2012, 11:59 AM
IMDAZED
You'll resort to race
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Zamunda
Posts: 31,847
Rep Power: 90 IMDAZED has a reputation beyond reputeIMDAZED has a reputation beyond reputeIMDAZED has a reputation beyond reputeIMDAZED has a reputation beyond reputeIMDAZED has a reputation beyond reputeIMDAZED has a reputation beyond reputeIMDAZED has a reputation beyond reputeIMDAZED has a reputation beyond reputeIMDAZED has a reputation beyond reputeIMDAZED has a reputation beyond reputeIMDAZED has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 1,000,002,003,165,493,120.00
Bank: 112,689,252,876,071.00
Total Points: 1,000,114,692,418,369,152.00
for knowing your stuff! - natas206 thanks for the info. - TRUTH For that homerun of a post, bud. - Sweet Pea 50 An apple for one of BoxingScene's most knowledgeable posters - danc1984 BOOM - Fiend 
Excellent poster - ADDICT MOH. For continously educating NSB. - BattlingNelson been a while mate! - Tamis_Siensya No Message - WESS 
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr Rumack View Post
As I said, it's based on my being suspicious that he could be that big a figure in conditioning coaching in boxing and not have a higher profile.

In cycling, when such clustering of athletes around conditioning experts with a history of steroid distribution occurred, they generally turned out to be doping rings.
A bigger figure? How? You mean media-wise? How would that help him? He's working with nine champs already--it's safe to say people in boxing know him.
Reply With Quote
IMDAZED is offline
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
champions, heredia, secretly, working, world

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


Privacy Policy - Submit News - Feedback - Site Map - Advertise with Us

Copyright © 2003-2013 BoxingScene LLC All rights reserved.

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:29 AM.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.