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Old 11-26-2012, 09:41 PM
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True story, both fighters fighting past prime could in fact end up being a much better fight.
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Old 11-26-2012, 09:44 PM
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No way man. I'm sorry, I'm a big Bradley fan. But he won about 2-3 clear rounds, and there were a couple quiet rounds.

Manny won the fight. He landed more and landed the harder punches consistently. The only way Bradley even got a few rounds was the last 4 rounds. There were 2 rounds that were close and Bradley clearly won 2 as well. Take that into account, the first round was pretty close as well, it was a slow round. Manny won rounds 2-8 clearly I thought.
It's a case of agree to disagree, sorry too but I saw Bradley win 6 clear rounds, rounds that I've gone over repeatedly. Also, who has faced a a stronger line up of opponents than Mares, only fighter I can think of is Froch and that's about it.

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Old 11-26-2012, 09:45 PM
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Pacquiao fought 10 times since 2007

Mayweather has been done....Manny is still going. If anyone dont deserve a top spot its Floyd!
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Old 11-26-2012, 09:53 PM
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Not even a Pac fan and this is rubbish. Pacquiao clearly won that fight. But for some odd reason people like to go by who got the decision only, whatever floats your boat.
At least be honest and people will take you more serious.
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Old 11-26-2012, 10:00 PM
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Like I said already, I do expect Floyd to decline much more gradually than Manny. But that said, the guy still does rely on his reflexes and explosiveness to a large degree. How long past the age of 35 is he going to maintain those attributes as a WW/JMW?

I definitely thought was feeling the pace a bit against Cotto too, as Cotto's determination to cut off the ring and force him onto the ropes was taking a lot out of both of them. As the fight went on he recovered brilliantly and was clearly the stronger man going down the stretch.

He often controls such fights, where he's faced with an intelligent aggressor, with his footwork though. And I think part of the reason he ended up in uncomfortable situations against Cotto was because he wasn't quite sharp enough on his toes to wrong-foot Cotto and keep bringing the fight to where he wanted it. Again, that's understandable for a 35 year old.

Not taking any of the credit away from Cotto btw, he fought a smart and exceptionally disciplined fight on the night. But nevertheless there were little signs here and there that Floyd might not be quite as invincible as he once was.

A funny thing about sport is that a lot of the time, no one sees the end coming for great athletes and great teams. Sometimes a guy looks on top of the world and at that point in time, it can be almost impossible to believe that they would never be that good again. That's how it happens though, and the signs of deterioration can often only be detected with the benefit of hindsight.

I'm not saying Floyd is at that point yet, but you just never know. And as athletes get into their late 30s, the statistical likelihood of that abrupt fall from grace increases all the time.
I know that, it is why I would bet against him if he fight Canelo or Guerrero for the right numbers (would need a smaller number on Canelo) there is the chance that he isn't the same guy. Now Floyd is not likely to get his ass whooped any time soon but all a guy needs to do is do a bit better work in 6 or 7 rounds. If guy goes in there to win enough rounds I think Floyd can be had as long as that guy sticks to their plan and they are very good, if somebody goes in to whoop Floyd's ass he will likely win that is the biggest mistake guys can make with him at this point as Floyd will do his thing and make that guy do his hard work for him.

About the Cotto fight 2 things happened 1) Floyd was under the weather, that is what got said and guys like Rafael and Mulvaney who have no reason to lie said Floyd was clearly not sounding like himself and 2) Cotto and Floyd favor the same pace, both want a measured slow pace and Cotto has a lot of talent so in a fight to his liking that he was able to get some stuff done is not that shocking. The other fights Cotto lost he got forced out of his pace. I don't think that fight really screams Floyd decline but he is declining and a year is a long time in boxing especially when you consider he did a stretch during that year, so that can't be good for an aging champion.

Also Floyd is not a 154 pound fighter, his career will go down faster if he keeps fighting there.

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Old 11-26-2012, 10:23 PM
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Floyd is a semi-retired fighter who fights once a year and Pac CLEARLY isn't what he was in 2009. If the fight happens I promise you none of this will matter. It will have Tyson-Lewis hype and Tyson-Lewis fighters.
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Old 11-26-2012, 10:27 PM
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Floyd is a semi-retired fighter who fights once a year and Pac CLEARLY isn't what he was in 2009. If the fight happens I promise you none of this will matter. It will have Tyson-Lewis hype and Tyson-Lewis fighters.
Manny just beat a Top 10 P4P and unbeaten fighter. Tyson hadn't gotten a legit win in like 4 years.

It's not even comparable, except in the fact that it was long overdue. Mayweather and Pacquiao are still better then Lennox and Tyson were at that time.
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It's a case of agree to disagree, sorry too but I saw Bradley win 6 clear rounds, rounds that I've gone over repeatedly. Also, who has faced a a stronger line up of opponents than Mares, only fighter I can think of is Froch and that's about it.
Have much respect for you but you'd have to be blind to see Bradley winning six clear rounds. I don't think the fight was a robbery but (with the exception of the last 3 rounds) the rounds Bradley won could have gone the other way.
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Old 11-26-2012, 10:52 PM
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Manny just beat a Top 10 P4P and unbeaten fighter. Tyson hadn't gotten a legit win in like 4 years.

It's not even comparable, except in the fact that it was long overdue. Mayweather and Pacquiao are still better then Lennox and Tyson were at that time.
Yes, I've seen this argument from you before. That doesn't mean they aren't past prime. Hardcore fans are losing interest. Casual fans will treat it exactly like Tyson-Lewis. Hence, my comparison.
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Old 11-26-2012, 11:02 PM
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Manny just beat a Top 10 P4P and unbeaten fighter. Tyson hadn't gotten a legit win in like 4 years.

It's not even comparable, except in the fact that it was long overdue. Mayweather and Pacquiao are still better then Lennox and Tyson were at that time.
More like Manny was just beaten by a Top 10 P4P and unbeaten light weight who was unproven at 147.
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