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Old 11-19-2012, 04:21 PM
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What I didn't get was why are the ones requesting the tests the ones failing them?
It's a diversionary tactic, employed by people (most notably politicians) all the time : Accuse your opponet of something you are guilty of doing yourself in order to cast yourself in the light of a crusader and, in the process, fool the general public. In short, it's hypocritical.
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Old 11-19-2012, 04:22 PM
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Even Broner is now suspected of cheating because of the Haymon connection.
Again, you act as if that's some big surprise. I wouldn't be surprised if he's taking a ****tail of PED's as we speak.

Moral of the story, it's old news, unless you know nothing about big money sports, and the type of pressure these guys have to deal with.
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Old 11-19-2012, 04:27 PM
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I'm just curious, what's the difference between this threads article and this one:

http://www.thisis50.com/profiles/blo...-pacquiao-with


One of Filipino boxing superstar Manny Pacquiao***8217;s former sparring partners has admitted that he regularly injected the fighter with steroids ***8221;in the locker room, in the upper outer quarter of his butt cheek!***8221;

The man, a Filipino and former pro fighter, now fears the wrath of millions of his fellow countrymen, and as a result, his identity is protected. He claims to have worked with Pacquiao from ***8221;his early years***8221; up until Pacquiao***8217;s 2010 fight with Miguel Cotto, and claims Pacman only began using steroids in anticipation of his 2009 fight with Oscar De La Hoya.

He also claims that Pacquiao has switched from using steroids, to now using a complex mixture of HGH (human growth hormone) and insulin, a combination that is virtually undetectable in post fight drug tests.

In an interview given in a top secret location in Las Vegas, the former Pacquiao associate said ***8221;Manny was curious about using steroids for many years before he actually started. There is a lot of steroid use in the Philippines, and they are easy to get. But Manny hates needles! He hates ***8216;em.***8221;

***8221;Manny was already on the way to becoming one of boxing***8217;s greats when he got the call from De La Hoya and his people about a fight. Oscar wanted a rematch with Mayweather, buy Mayweather decided to retire. Someone came up with the idea for De La Hoya and Manny as a potential big fight. When I heard about it, I thought it was the dumbest thing I had ever heard.***8221;

By the time De La Hoya came calling, Manny Pacquiao was already a twelve year veteran with a 47-3-2 record, and world titles at flyweight, super bantamweight, super featherweight and lightweight. He had been knocked cold twice as a flyweight in the 90***8242;s, and also lost on points to Erik Morales in a bout at super featherweight in 2005, Pacquiao***8217;s last defeat. Pacman had come out on top in grueling rivalries with Morales, Marco Antonio Barrera and Juan Manual Marquez.

In March 2008 he defeated Marquez for the WBC super featherweight title via a split decision, and three months later he battered David Diaz to defeat in nine rounds for the WBC lightweight title. From world flyweight champion to world title holder at lightweight in nine years is both an incredible and unequaled achievement, and also feasible and believable, considering Pacquiao***8217;s speed, southpaw boxing ability and punching power. His sudden leap in 2008 to welterweight, and subsequently beyond, and his complete mastery of much bigger fighters, had opened the door to debate as to whether the Filipino may be using performance enhancing drugs.

***8221;Manny knew there was no way he could beat Oscar. But there was also no way he was gonna pass up the biggest fight, the biggest opportunity of his life. This was it, the big time.***8221; said his former sparring partner.

***8221;Manny never looked at using drugs as cheating. It was just a way of evening things up a little. Oscar was naturally much bigger and stronger than Manny. Of course, on the night we were all shocked. He beat the living crap out of De La Hoya.***8221;

Just seven months earlier De La Hoya had cruised to a win over contender Steve Forbes, Prior to that, in May 2007, he had come closer that anyone before to beating Floyd Mayweather Jr. Although 35, De La Hoya was a massive favorite to defeat Pacquiao. Instead his corner pulled him out after suffering a one sided pummeling for eight rounds.

***8221;After the fight, everyone was going crazy for Manny. We who were in the know about the steroids were just looking at each other holding our breath and hoping no one would start wondering how that could have happened.***8221;

The sparring partner says he began regularly injecting Pacquiao with steroids in preparation for his subsequent fights with Ricky Hatton and Miguel Cotto.

***8221;Once a week, right in the locker room of the Wild Card (Gym). Manny would drop his shorts and clench his teeth, and I would give him a jab in the upper outer quarter of his butt cheek. He hated every shot.***8221;

The contact also said that Pacquiao***8217;s drugs were changed from regular steroids to a far less detectable combination of HGH and insulin after Floyd Mayweather began pointing the finger and making suggestions that Pacquiao***8217;s almost super human ring achievements may not be all down to natural ability.

***8221;They got spooked when Floyd rumbled ***8216;em.***8221; said the contact. ***8221;That whole thing with the pre fight blood test during the negotiations for a Pacquiao v Mayweather fight last year was because Manny and his team knew they needed one month prior to the fight to guarantee 100% that they would be clean in all tests.***8221;

The sparring partner fell out with the Pacquiao camp after the Cotto fight, but he bares his former boss no ill will, and wishes him success v Shane Mosley in Las Vegas on Saturday night. ***8221;I hope he kicks Mosley***8217;s butt on Saturday, and I know he will. Mosley used to be a big time juicer, as everyone knows. Maybe he***8217;s back on it for this fight. He sure needs to be
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For those that try to put it on "50 cent's website", just realize that 50 also said Floyd has been ducking Pac. So chose your theory wisely.
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Old 11-19-2012, 04:28 PM
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half of you just want blacks exterminated off the earth

and the other half are just pac man fans looking for get back

thats it thats all!
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Old 11-19-2012, 04:29 PM
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1 thing that keeps standing out to me when i read some replies on here, a lot of folks saying "USADA wouldnt hide Floyd's test result and tarnish their image and risk it all for Floyd" etc

We don't know what the contract between GBP and USADA says. Maybe USADA are sticking to the contract, just the loop holes are so large that a cover up is possible and they don't actually have to "hide" anything??
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Old 11-19-2012, 04:32 PM
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The article that I just posted also has "sources" that are anonymous.

If anything, people should be asking USADA why they discarded their testing sample in the Quillin-Wright bout regardless of either guy approving random testing or not. I could see an argument against USADA. This doesn't make Mayweather guilty, but it does make USADA protocol seem a bit shaky.

But if we're going to read so deeply into "anonymous" sources, we should do the same with Manny's sparring partner saying he injected Pac with steroids.

Just sayin.
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Old 11-19-2012, 04:33 PM
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This is supposed to be Floyd fans' favorite subject, how the favor strict testing and all that. Now they seem to be against people trying to uncover the truth.

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1 thing that keeps standing out to me when i read some replies on here, a lot of folks saying "USADA wouldnt hide Floyd's test result and tarnish their image and risk it all for Floyd" etc

We don't know what the contract between GBP and USADA says. Maybe USADA are sticking to the contract, just the loop holes are so large that a cover up is possible and they don't actually have to "hide" anything??
True, I mean if THEY... HIRE... Usada, then maybe they can put their own terms of what THEY want as a promotional company.

For example, if one of our fighters tests positive, then you notify us... and it ends there.

They are working for the companies paying them... not "boxing".
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I'm just curious, what's the difference between this threads article and this one:

http://www.thisis50.com/profiles/blo...-pacquiao-with


One of Filipino boxing superstar Manny Pacquiao’s former sparring partners has admitted that he regularly injected the fighter with steroids ”in the locker room, in the upper outer quarter of his butt cheek!”

The man, a Filipino and former pro fighter, now fears the wrath of millions of his fellow countrymen, and as a result, his identity is protected. He claims to have worked with Pacquiao from ”his early years” up until Pacquiao’s 2010 fight with Miguel Cotto, and claims Pacman only began using steroids in anticipation of his 2009 fight with Oscar De La Hoya.

He also claims that Pacquiao has switched from using steroids, to now using a complex mixture of HGH (human growth hormone) and insulin, a combination that is virtually undetectable in post fight drug tests.

In an interview given in a top secret location in Las Vegas, the former Pacquiao associate said ”Manny was curious about using steroids for many years before he actually started. There is a lot of steroid use in the Philippines, and they are easy to get. But Manny hates needles! He hates ‘em.”

”Manny was already on the way to becoming one of boxing’s greats when he got the call from De La Hoya and his people about a fight. Oscar wanted a rematch with Mayweather, buy Mayweather decided to retire. Someone came up with the idea for De La Hoya and Manny as a potential big fight. When I heard about it, I thought it was the dumbest thing I had ever heard.”

By the time De La Hoya came calling, Manny Pacquiao was already a twelve year veteran with a 47-3-2 record, and world titles at flyweight, super bantamweight, super featherweight and lightweight. He had been knocked cold twice as a flyweight in the 90***8242;s, and also lost on points to Erik Morales in a bout at super featherweight in 2005, Pacquiao’s last defeat. Pacman had come out on top in grueling rivalries with Morales, Marco Antonio Barrera and Juan Manual Marquez.

In March 2008 he defeated Marquez for the WBC super featherweight title via a split decision, and three months later he battered David Diaz to defeat in nine rounds for the WBC lightweight title. From world flyweight champion to world title holder at lightweight in nine years is both an incredible and unequaled achievement, and also feasible and believable, considering Pacquiao’s speed, southpaw boxing ability and punching power. His sudden leap in 2008 to welterweight, and subsequently beyond, and his complete mastery of much bigger fighters, had opened the door to debate as to whether the Filipino may be using performance enhancing drugs.

”Manny knew there was no way he could beat Oscar. But there was also no way he was gonna pass up the biggest fight, the biggest opportunity of his life. This was it, the big time.” said his former sparring partner.

”Manny never looked at using drugs as cheating. It was just a way of evening things up a little. Oscar was naturally much bigger and stronger than Manny. Of course, on the night we were all shocked. He beat the living crap out of De La Hoya.”

Just seven months earlier De La Hoya had cruised to a win over contender Steve Forbes, Prior to that, in May 2007, he had come closer that anyone before to beating Floyd Mayweather Jr. Although 35, De La Hoya was a massive favorite to defeat Pacquiao. Instead his corner pulled him out after suffering a one sided pummeling for eight rounds.

”After the fight, everyone was going crazy for Manny. We who were in the know about the steroids were just looking at each other holding our breath and hoping no one would start wondering how that could have happened.”

The sparring partner says he began regularly injecting Pacquiao with steroids in preparation for his subsequent fights with Ricky Hatton and Miguel Cotto.

”Once a week, right in the locker room of the Wild Card (Gym). Manny would drop his shorts and clench his teeth, and I would give him a jab in the upper outer quarter of his butt cheek. He hated every shot.”

The contact also said that Pacquiao’s drugs were changed from regular steroids to a far less detectable combination of HGH and insulin after Floyd Mayweather began pointing the finger and making suggestions that Pacquiao’s almost super human ring achievements may not be all down to natural ability.

”They got spooked when Floyd rumbled ‘em.” said the contact. ”That whole thing with the pre fight blood test during the negotiations for a Pacquiao v Mayweather fight last year was because Manny and his team knew they needed one month prior to the fight to guarantee 100% that they would be clean in all tests.”

The sparring partner fell out with the Pacquiao camp after the Cotto fight, but he bares his former boss no ill will, and wishes him success v Shane Mosley in Las Vegas on Saturday night. ”I hope he kicks Mosley’s butt on Saturday, and I know he will. Mosley used to be a big time juicer, as everyone knows. Maybe he’s back on it for this fight. He sure needs to be
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For those that try to put it on "50 cent's website", just realize that 50 also said Floyd has been ducking Pac. So chose your theory wisely.
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