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Old 01-20-2013, 03:52 PM
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Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis, Mercer, Bowe etc. were born in the 60's and grew up in the 70's when boxing was still very popular. When in 1975 the average salary for both sports was just $50,000. Basketball and football exploded in the 80's, especially basketball thanks to guys like Magic, Bird, and especially Jordan who is even more famous in America than Ali. By 1990 the average salary was around $1 mill for both sports.

Not only did these sports get much more popular professionaly but collegiately as well, leading all the way down to kids playing the sports in school like never before.
Times change, if boxing in the US wants to compete in a more competitive market then it needs to adapt or risk being sidelined. Why are boxing fans ok with just saying how well NBA/NFL have done without acknowledging the failures of their own sport?
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Old 01-22-2013, 02:43 PM
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Times change, if boxing in the US wants to compete in a more competitive market then it needs to adapt or risk being sidelined. Why are boxing fans ok with just saying how well NBA/NFL have done without acknowledging the failures of their own sport?
I think it is very hard now to get boxing back as a mainstream sport in the USA.

You need more than just a 'Tyson' now. You also need 2-3 good American fighters AND another ATG Talent to build rivalries off of.

You need someone who can also capture the mainstream with his personality.

The 60's-90's still had boxing as a focal point because the champions honestly did appeal to the masses.

Even Riddick Bowe had a 2-3 year window where his name was on par with NBA Superstars.
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Old 01-22-2013, 03:09 PM
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The popularity of football and basketball in the U.S combined with the fact that people in the U.S are more exposed to basketball and football does play a big role in the U.S having a weak American heavyweight era..

But another reason is that a lot of American heavies lack discipline. Example:Hasim Rahman is 6`2 but would sometimes come in weighing as high as 260`s or 270`s. Chris Arreola is 6`3 and sometimes come in weighing as high as 260`s.Mcline 6`6 but would come in weighing as high as 280`s.

How do you cut the ring off when fighting taller slimmer fighters that move on you when your carrying a giant belly which makes you slower and effects your stamina?

Another reason for a weak American heavyweight era is that most of these American heavyweights have terrible trainers.American heavies should have tried to get certain trainers who train fighters in the lower weight classes like Mayweather Senior,Nazim Richardson.So that way these American Heavies can use some of the technique that boxers from the lower weight classes use.

One example is Steve Cunningham who now fights at heavyweight and whose trained by Nazim Richardson.Steve Cunnigham uses a lot of old school defensive techniques which worked well against Thomaz Adamek and i felt Cunningham won that fight.

Another example is prime James Toney at heavyweight.He was able to outbox a much bigger john Ruiz who was underated in the skills department.Yeah i know Toney was on roids but roids don`t make you more skilled and the Roids did not improve Toneys conditioning in that fight.Both Toney and Ruiz took the fight on short notice so they did`nt have a lot of time to train and they both got tired fast in their fight against eachother.
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Old 01-23-2013, 02:40 PM
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The popularity of football and basketball in the U.S combined with the fact that people in the U.S are more exposed to basketball and football does play a big role in the U.S having a weak American heavyweight era..

But another reason is that a lot of American heavies lack discipline. Example:Hasim Rahman is 6`2 but would sometimes come in weighing as high as 260`s or 270`s. Chris Arreola is 6`3 and sometimes come in weighing as high as 260`s.Mcline 6`6 but would come in weighing as high as 280`s.

How do you cut the ring off when fighting taller slimmer fighters that move on you when your carrying a giant belly which makes you slower and effects your stamina?

Another reason for a weak American heavyweight era is that most of these American heavyweights have terrible trainers.American heavies should have tried to get certain trainers who train fighters in the lower weight classes like Mayweather Senior,Nazim Richardson.So that way these American Heavies can use some of the technique that boxers from the lower weight classes use.

One example is Steve Cunningham who now fights at heavyweight and whose trained by Nazim Richardson.Steve Cunnigham uses a lot of old school defensive techniques which worked well against Thomaz Adamek and i felt Cunningham won that fight.

Another example is prime James Toney at heavyweight.He was able to outbox a much bigger john Ruiz who was underated in the skills department.Yeah i know Toney was on roids but roids don`t make you more skilled and the Roids did not improve Toneys conditioning in that fight.Both Toney and Ruiz took the fight on short notice so they did`nt have a lot of time to train and they both got tired fast in their fight against eachother.

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Old 01-23-2013, 03:10 PM
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I think it is very hard now to get boxing back as a mainstream sport in the USA.

You need more than just a 'Tyson' now. You also need 2-3 good American fighters AND another ATG Talent to build rivalries off of.

You need someone who can also capture the mainstream with his personality.

The 60's-90's still had boxing as a focal point because the champions honestly did appeal to the masses.

Even Riddick Bowe had a 2-3 year window where his name was on par with NBA Superstars.
We need more good cards on network TV, and that's really all there is to it. Boxing has been getting solid ratings for lower tier boxing matches in a horrible timeslot. The 3-4 am slot is horrible and often gets ratings in the 500k range and is lucky to top 1 million. Snowboarding in the previous slot to Adamek-Cunningham pulled 500k viewers. Adamek-Cunningham managed to reach a peek of 3.4 million people. Santa Cruz vs Guevera averaged 1.8 million. Those are superb numbers for their time. If they took only a small handful of HBO/showtime boxers and put them on network TV, especially in a primetime slot, boxing would compete and probably beat the NFL. Even a good Maidana fight would top average over 3.4 million. Someone like Canelo, Chavez Jr, Cotto even Martinez (since he was on PPV) could pull monstrous ratings on TV. What these network ratings show us is that the market for boxing is clearly still there.
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Old 01-23-2013, 03:15 PM
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We need more good cards on network TV, and that's really all there is to it. Boxing has been getting solid ratings for lower tier boxing matches in a horrible timeslot. The 3-4 am slot is horrible and often gets ratings in the 500k range and is lucky to top 1 million. Snowboarding in the previous slot to Adamek-Cunningham pulled 500k viewers. Adamek-Cunningham managed to reach a peek of 3.4 million people. Santa Cruz vs Guevera averaged 1.8 million. Those are superb numbers for their time. If they took only a small handful of HBO/showtime boxers and put them on network TV, especially in a primetime slot, boxing would compete and probably beat the NFL. Even a good Maidana fight would top average over 3.4 million. Someone like Canelo, Chavez Jr, Cotto even Martinez (since he was on PPV) could pull monstrous ratings on TV. What these network ratings show us is that the market for boxing is clearly still there.
I agree. Good points made.

Putting Adamek is a good start.

I honestly think it's all about the network TV'S in each country.

If they had put say ... Martinez vs Chavez Jr on ABC.
I think it will equal to NBA Playoff ratings.. (First round at least)
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Old 01-23-2013, 03:18 PM
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All I have to say on the subject is; look at the physiques of the heavyweight fighters from America in this era; they're pathetic. Small. Fat. Small and fat. Even bum contenders in the 70s, 80s, and early 90s were big men in solid shape.

Now look at our athletes in NFL/NBA: They're the best they've ever been in history. Bigger, stronger, breaking new records all the time.

Athletes, boxers especially, come from poverty. These days NBA and NFL are the two routes kids take to get out of the hood. No one is risking their gifts on boxing.

People can tell themselves whatever they want, though.
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Old 01-23-2013, 03:37 PM
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The football players/heavyweight boxer is without a doubt the dumbest theory in all of sports.

Football players have NO STAMINA they can't box 12 rounds

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Jacobs went 35-2 as an amateur heavyweight, twice winning the state AAU championship. He loved boxing but eventually turned to football due it to its college scholarship possibilities.
what did Jorge Luis Gonzalez do as a pro after a stellar amateur background?


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Old 01-23-2013, 03:45 PM
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He turned pro, that's what happened.


You missed the point completely, Jacobs was a great amateur that chose football over boxing, same thing nearly happened to Lennox Lewis as well.

Btw, what did Floyd Mayweather do after a stellar amateur background?
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He turned pro, that's what happened.


You missed the point completely, Jacobs was a great amateur that chose football over boxing, same thing nearly happened to Lennox Lewisnas well.

Btw, what did Floyd Mayweather do after a stellar amateur background?
turned pro and did squat. being a great am doesn't equal a great pro. if be willing to bet most of the best fighters past and present had a whatever am background. its a completely different sport. because Jacobs was a state champ means squat.


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