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Old 11-08-2012, 02:43 PM
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Wasn't Marquez involved with the guy who snitched on Conte to the FBI? Also Roids are easily available in Mexico ... Whether he is using that can't be proven only speculated...
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Old 11-08-2012, 03:18 PM
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Wasn't Marquez involved with the guy who snitched on Conte to the FBI? Also Roids are easily available in Mexico ... Whether he is using that can't be proven only speculated...
Could easily be proven with year round testing like Donaire's doing. Probably too late now alright.

No one in boxing is interested in people failing drug tests, it costs money.
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Old 11-08-2012, 03:21 PM
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Could easily be proven with year round testing like Donaire's doing. Probably too late now alright.

No one in boxing is interested in people failing drug tests, it costs money.
funny you mention donaire when he is working with conte but at least the 24/7/365 testing makes it more difficult than regular to cheat
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Old 11-08-2012, 03:30 PM
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funny you mention donaire when he is working with conte but at least the 24/7/365 testing makes it more difficult than regular to cheat
That's obviously a big part of why he's doing it. If you're working with Conte you have to be seen to be squeaky clean.

But yeah the regular commission testing is almost completely useless. And even if it wasn't, guys can still dope all they want once they're 'out of competition'. Conte always talks about the sprinter Tim Montgomery who put on 28lbs of lean muscle in eight weeks using roids. Marquez could have used stuff for months, cycled off it, and still came in clean under any type of testing he's likely to get in boxing.

And even if he didn't, how much money is going to cost Arum if he lets the story get out?
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Old 11-08-2012, 03:33 PM
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Marquez has a regular physique for a proper athlete now, that's it.

He always used to be a little heavy, now he'll be doing things better in terms of both training and nutrition. He weights 140-something lbs and in turn doesn't have a whole lot of muscle to maintain, it's not hard to do that into your 40's.

He's not juicing IMO, he's simply doing like an athlete.
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Old 11-08-2012, 03:36 PM
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Marquez has a regular physique for a proper athlete now, that's it.

He always used to be a little heavy, now he'll be doing things better in terms of both training and nutrition. He weights 140-something lbs and in turn doesn't have a whole lot of muscle to maintain, it's not hard to do that into your 40's.

He's not juicing IMO, he's doing like an athlete.
There's no way of knowing for sure. The way I see it, the benefits of juicing are obvious, the rewards are huge, and chances of getting caught are slim. It's not about good guys and bad guys, it's about the conditions that are in place. And the conditions in boxing are definitely right for doping.
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Old 11-08-2012, 03:38 PM
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It's the combination of his physique and the fact that his conditioning coach got popped for dealing steroids.

But I agree his physique alone is not enough to suspect JMM of taking roids. He's not much different from the last Pac fight.
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Old 11-08-2012, 04:33 PM
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I am just amazed that the same people trying to accuse him of P.E.D use are the ones who say "if you never failed a drug test why should you do random testing" If they think he is cheating then Manny should have requested random testing for both of them.Beyond that stop crying and may the best man win.
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Old 11-08-2012, 04:42 PM
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WOW simply WOW!

So Manny can move up 5 weight classes and knock out men that outweigh him by 10-15 lbs and keep his speed and somehow get stronger and never test using blood or hair samples and God forbid anyone accuse him of anything because there is no proof
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JMM gains muscle which is easy to do especially when you are a professional athlete and he is guilty of using PEDS? really?
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Old 11-08-2012, 04:46 PM
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Because he looked like crap at 142, in 2009.

Then he hired Heredia (I guess everybody knows his past by now) and came in ripped at 146 in 2011. And he did that at 38, after decades of training.

I'm not accusing him, but it's more suspicious than Manny IMO.
more suspicious than Manny moving up 5 weightclasses knocking men out?
really?
JMM looks like sh it in fights where he fights nobodies because he isnt motivated
pac has looked like shi t in the past two years so if he comes out looking great than he must be suspect too right?
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