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Old 11-02-2012, 06:05 PM
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Old 11-02-2012, 06:42 PM
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Who was the best in terms of raw talent?
robinson had the fewest physical flaws

he had size and reach at WW (hell with a same day weigh in he was still a rangy MW)
a great chin
speed / fleetness
and knockout power in either hand.
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Old 11-02-2012, 07:15 PM
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robinson had the fewest physical flaws

he had size and reach at WW (hell with a same day weigh in he was still a rangy MW)
a great chin
speed / fleetness
and knockout power in either hand.

Yep, in terms of attributes you'd have a hard time finding a better specimen than Robinson. Leonard is a good specimen in terms of attributes too.

But the thread concerned 'raw talent' and in all my years of watching the best boxers in history, I'm afraid that prime Roy Jones jnr is probably the most 'talented' and skilled boxer I have ever seen.
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Old 11-02-2012, 07:34 PM
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I would say ray robinson very few flaws
roy jones is also a fantastic talent as well
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Tommy Hearns I feel deserves mention. Roy's athletisism was freaky too...but Hearns looks like a nightmare incarnated.
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Yep, in terms of attributes you'd have a hard time finding a better specimen than Robinson. Leonard is a good specimen in terms of attributes too.

But the thread concerned 'raw talent' and in all my years of watching the best boxers in history, I'm afraid that prime Roy Jones jnr is probably the most 'talented' and skilled boxer I have ever seen.

for me, the tools that you bring to boxing are your speed / quickness, your power, and your chin. if you don't want to include the chin, then you might be right. jones wasn't a puncher at SMW and LHW like robinson at WW, but he was much faster.

jones chin wasn't mush certainly, but it wasn't great. robinson was stopped once in a gazillion fights, and that was via heat exhaustion against an ATG at LHW. jones jaw liquified when tarver cracked him. sure, he was probably effected by the weight, but he was out for a long time . that chin was probably never superb. he never had it really tested in his prime.
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Old 11-03-2012, 01:35 PM
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for me, the tools that you bring to boxing are your speed / quickness, your power, and your chin. if you don't want to include the chin, then you might be right. jones wasn't a puncher at SMW and LHW like robinson at WW, but he was much faster.

jones chin wasn't mush certainly, but it wasn't great. robinson was stopped once in a gazillion fights, and that was via heat exhaustion against an ATG at LHW. jones jaw liquified when tarver cracked him. sure, he was probably effected by the weight, but he was out for a long time . that chin was probably never superb. he never had it really tested in his prime.

I don't think Jones's chin needs to be an issue in a thread about 'raw talent'. He was knocked down once in the first 15 years of his career. Most careers don't last 10 years.....

I'm convinced that his chin deteriorated after his move to heavyweight regardless. He took plenty of cracks before then to no ill effect.
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