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Old 10-06-2012, 07:46 PM
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Counting cards is not a substitute for Basic Strategy. It needs to be memorized. It's so easy to memorize, yet most dealers don't even know it. Before I sit down at any blackjack table, I look at the table rules and enter it into a basic strategy engine that will spit out the perfect way to play. Just google "Basic Strategy engine blackjack". Basic Strategy alone will decrease the house edge all the way down to less than 1%.

If you want to totally eliminate the house edge and actually make it favorable on your end, you gotta count cards. And even then, your advantage is very little. Even more problematic is your window of advantage is relatively small. That's why you see card counters betting $5 for a while, then increase their bets to something totally out of character like $200 a hand when the deck is loaded with tens and aces.

If anyone is serious about this, just google how to count cards. I promise you anyone with a 5th grade understanding of math can learn how to do this in a few hours or less. It's not that hard, nor as glamorous as people make it out to be.
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Old 10-06-2012, 08:50 PM
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Old 01-07-2013, 03:46 PM
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Counting cards is not a substitute for Basic Strategy. It needs to be memorized. It's so easy to memorize, yet most dealers don't even know it. Before I sit down at any blackjack table, I look at the table rules and enter it into a basic strategy engine that will spit out the perfect way to play. Just google "Basic Strategy engine blackjack". Basic Strategy alone will decrease the house edge all the way down to less than 1%.

If you want to totally eliminate the house edge and actually make it favorable on your end, you gotta count cards. And even then, your advantage is very little. Even more problematic is your window of advantage is relatively small. That's why you see card counters betting $5 for a while, then increase their bets to something totally out of character like $200 a hand when the deck is loaded with tens and aces.

If anyone is serious about this, just google how to count cards. I promise you anyone with a 5th grade understanding of math can learn how to do this in a few hours or less. It's not that hard, nor as glamorous as people make it out to be.
Sorry about bumping an old thread, lol, but I never realized I had a reply in this one.

I wasn't saying that basic strategy is a substitute for counting. At least, that's not what I was intending to say. What I meant was, play basic strategy, if you can't count cards. Nothing more, nothing less.

Obviously, basic strategy is still a big part of getting your edge while counting cards. Of course, if you want that edge to grow even more, you will need to dismiss basic strategy in certain situations depending upon the count (the illustrious 18).

I'm pretty aware of counting. I use hi-lo some, but for the most part, I use the K-O system. Mainly because it eliminates the need to convert to a true count.
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Old 01-07-2013, 04:05 PM
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Old 01-07-2013, 04:22 PM
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The Martingale system is better than nothing, however most casinos have betting caps to prevent you from utilizing it, and it's slightly minus long term.
Disagree entirely. The Martingale system will leave you with nothing.

If we're talking advantage playing, beat the game over the long haul, there is no "system" that is going to beat roulette.

If we're talking short term, take a shot at a payday, gambling, then just try whatever. Anything can be lucky at any time.
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Old 01-07-2013, 04:30 PM
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Disagree entirely. The Martingale system will leave you with nothing.

If we're talking advantage playing, beat the game over the long haul, there is no "system" that is going to beat roulette.

If we're talking short term, take a shot at a payday, gambling, then just try whatever. Anything can be lucky at any time.
You're right, there is no system that is plus long term. Read what I said. It's better than nothing, as in it's still more effective than other minus strategies because it's only very slightly minus. In fact, it tends to leave you with small gains more often than not.
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You're right, there is no system that is plus long term. Read what I said. It's better than nothing, as in it's still more effective than other minus strategies because it's only very slightly minus. In fact, it tends to leave you with small gains more often than not.
I read what you said. What I'm saying, is that it's not "better than nothing", because it will leave you flat broke. You might as well put it all on black every time. Ultimately, you'll suffer the exact same fate.
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I read what you said. What I'm saying, is that it's not "better than nothing", because it will leave you flat broke. You might as well put it all on black every time. Ultimately, you'll suffer the exact same fate.
There are tiers of losing strategies just like anything else. If all strategies are minus, if you're going to play the game at all, use the one that is least minus. It is not the same as pure randomness. Make sense?
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There are tiers of losing strategies just like anything else. If all strategies are minus, if you're going to play the game at all, use the one that is least minus. It is not the same as pure randomness. Make sense?
"Losing strategies" says it all. I don't care what "tier" they are. In the end they all have one thing in common. They take every dime you have.

It's like saying "losing all of your money with the Martingale system, is better than losing all of your money without the Martingale system".

Yeah, makes perfect sense.
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