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jcpryor

Ward didn't pressure Dawson to move down or use it as a negotiation tactic. Dawson made the decision on his own and paid the price for it.

raskat

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Originally Posted by #1Assassin

dawson made 600k fighting ward, that could easily have been matched or surpassed at 175. he moved down, went to oakland and took **** money bcuz he wanted to fight the best p4p fighter possible and at his best in order to send a real statement around the boxing world. dawson never backed down from a challenge and he laways looked for the biggest fights. 175 is far from a ghost town btw. 168 is perhaps the best division in boxing but there are some good fights at 175 for chad, fights that would earn him more than the ward fight did.

a catchweight would be the worst possible scenario, even worse than the fight not happening at all. imagine if ward beat dawson at a catchweight, he would have taken his belt. dawson as a 175lb champion wouldnt be allowed to be 175lbs and could still lose his title. thats unfair, in addition to being a disgrace to boxing and the LHW title!

dawson challenged a 168lb champion at 168lbs, nothing wrong with that. he chose himself to drop down in weight so he could make a statement and win a title in a second weightclass, nothing wrong with that either. if it was a miscalculation on his part it was just that, on his part. it doesnt have anything to do with ward and cant be blamed on him in any way.

we have 16 weightclasses and up to 5 "champions" in each one, wtf do we need catchweights for? you want to bury this sport? catchweights are a way to win titles in multiple weightclasses without making the necessary sacrifice. you are supposed to be at a disadvantage when you move up/down in weight to face a champion, thats what makes it so impressive when you win. catchweights is all politics, a way to manipulate the system and fool ppl you have a more impressive legacy than you really do.

dawson aint about that, hes old school. he wants a challenge, he wants to make a statement. they did it the old school way, at the real limit without making a mockery of the title and the sport. dawson was the one who called ward out and as a result hes the one who went to wards weightclass, it shouldnt be any other way.

and here suddenly a catchweight isnt a problem, according to you:
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...ht#post9206802
bro you sound different in every thread. I call you from now on Mr. Contradiction if you dont mind .

jayjames616

Dawson challenged Ward at 168 dumb a$$

HanzGruber

ward is being smart and knows he wont be 100% himself at a lower weight. I dont see how dawson having to come down is Wards fault, chad didnt have to take the fight and if i recall Chad called out ward

Still Blazin

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Originally Posted by raskat

actually he did not challenge him at 168. at first he said at LHW or at a catchweight, then Max Kellerman said Ward is only a super middleweight, and then Dawson said he might move down to 168. but at first he didnt want that, he just didnt want to sound like a coward when calling out a smaller guy.

Then isnt that still Dawsons fault.

Like I keep saying. He went after the fight. No one cared for it. No one wanted to see it. It actually couldve waited. Then he shows up and gets his ass beat. Thats on Dawson.

.:: JSFD26 ::.

You know what? Ward did force Dawson in a way. There was nobody at 175 and Dawson wanted Ward's scalp for his "legacy"/ranking and Ward knew this. That's why when Dawson offered a catchweight Ward didn't want none of it. As for TS, good find but everyone who looks at it from an unbias standpoint or isn't a fanboy of Ward's knew this already. It was crystal clear. Doesn't matter what you put here these guys will still believe what they want and will give him his dues for beating Dawson.

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HardSpar

Dawson's big at 175 and was stupid to fight Ward at 168, Ward's big at 168 and ain't stupid, so he won't drain himself to fight Martinez.

.:: JSFD26 ::.

You know what's funny too? He made Dawson come down then a couple of months later (literally) he's talking about moving up to 175... That's fkin weak if you ask me.

ADP02

Most people were OK with CWs .... it became more of a problem/excuse once a fighter they disliked did it.

Still Blazin

Stop crying. Dawson lost. Its over.

Who at 168 is he going to fight? Nothing wrong with moving up and adding to your legacy.

jcpryor Contender Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 331 Rep Power: 4 Points: 13,457.53 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 13,457.53 Donate	Ward didn't pressure Dawson to move down or use it as a negotiation tactic. Dawson made the decision on his own and paid the price for it.

jayjames616 Interim Champion Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 790 Rep Power: 3 Points: 55,863.37 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 55,863.37 Donate	Dawson challenged Ward at 168 dumb a$$

HanzGruber my daddy is Mexican Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 1,237 Rep Power: 6 Points: 7,400,049,277.98 Bank: 3,499,257,679.64 Total Points: 10,899,306,957.62 Donate	ward is being smart and knows he wont be 100% himself at a lower weight. I dont see how dawson having to come down is Wards fault, chad didnt have to take the fight and if i recall Chad called out ward

HardSpar Up and Comer Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 93 Rep Power: 1 Points: 3,208.94 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 3,208.94 Donate	Dawson's big at 175 and was stupid to fight Ward at 168, Ward's big at 168 and ain't stupid, so he won't drain himself to fight Martinez.

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