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Old 09-20-2012, 04:33 PM
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it really depends on the competition, may i ask how high did you have joe calzaghe in your p4p list before he retired?
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Old 09-20-2012, 04:34 PM
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Hagler had like 67 fights and won over 60 of them plus had a ko ratin of ova 80%. Dis Ward guy beat a few good guys ova da span of 2 years, it ain't even close to bein da same. Some of da names on Hagla's resume are considered atg's while da names on Ward's resume is no where to be found in the boxin greats archives.

Hagla was knocking guys out while dis Ward hugs and headbutts most of em to death.
well ward isnt retired nor are the fighters he beat so how would any of them be atg's?
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Old 09-20-2012, 04:50 PM
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I agree but if you have a guy that's dominated top competition in multiple divisions versus a guy that dominated top competition in one division, the guy thats dominated multiple divisions should be ranked higher, all else equal.

Let's look at the Ring Magazine P4P kings:

1990-1992: Chavez - multiple division champion
1993-1995: Whitaker - multiple division champion
1996,1999, 2003: Jones Jr. - multiple division champion
1998: De La Hoya - multiple division champion
2000-2001: Shane Mosley - multiple division champion
2004: Bernard Hopkins - middleweight champion
2005-present: Mayweather/Pacquiao - multiple division champions


The only p4p king that wasn't a multiple division champion at the time he was ranked was Hopkins and he had to make an unprecedented run with 20 title defenses in order to claim that title.
this right here ^^^
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Old 09-20-2012, 04:56 PM
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It's better thinking than your warped views. You seem to think ward should unify with guys that are **** just because they have a meaningless belt.
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Old 09-20-2012, 04:59 PM
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It's better thinking than your warped views. You seem to think ward should unify with guys that are **** just because they have a meaningless belt.
so Froch and Abraham are sh1t now?
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Old 09-20-2012, 05:00 PM
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Only because Roy Jones got KOed and Floyd Mayweather didn't have the resume to take #1

For me, draining the fighter a weight class above you to fight is not p4p caliber at all. He's a very good fighter but he has 3 big wins, 2 if you take into account Dawson looked dead at the weight.

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Old 09-20-2012, 05:02 PM
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so Froch and Abraham are sh1t now?
Now?! They have always been ****. Lets have a fight with 2 fighters I've already dominated just because they have a belt. Gtfo with that ****
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Old 09-20-2012, 05:33 PM
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People look at accomplishments and dominating different weight divisions is a pretty big accomplishment.

But PBP's post on the first page pretty much summed it all up.


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Only because Roy Jones got KOed and Floyd Mayweather didn't have the resume to take #1

For me, draining the fighter a weight class above you to fight is not p4p caliber at all. He's a very good fighter but he has 3 big wins, 2 if you take into account Dawson looked dead at the eight.
This right here. If you wanna be great you have to set challenges for yourself. Dawson tried to do it but failed cause his body didnt allow him too.

I would not put Ward over Floyd cause Floyd has accomplished more in more divisions.



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Only because Roy Jones got KOed and Floyd Mayweather didn't have the resume to take #1

For me, draining the fighter a weight class above you to fight is not p4p caliber at all. He's a very good fighter but he has 3 big wins, 2 if you take into account Dawson looked dead at the weight.
How did he drain Dawson?
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