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Old 09-20-2012, 03:29 PM
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Well sometimes the best fighters are in other divisions
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Old 09-20-2012, 03:36 PM
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Ahh...The mythical P4P list. No you don't have to jump divisions to be P4P 1. Everyone has their own opinion of who's the best. At the end of the day making a p4p list is subjective so you can definitely put whoever you want top of the list if you feel his work lately has been impressive enough to make him number 1.
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Old 09-20-2012, 03:40 PM
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I agree but if you have a guy that's dominated top competition in multiple divisions versus a guy that dominated top competition in one division, the guy thats dominated multiple divisions should be ranked higher, all else equal.

Let's look at the Ring Magazine P4P kings:

1990-1992: Chavez - multiple division champion
1993-1995: Whitaker - multiple division champion
1996,1999, 2003: Jones Jr. - multiple division champion
1998: De La Hoya - multiple division champion
2000-2001: Shane Mosley - multiple division champion
2004: Bernard Hopkins - middleweight champion
2005-present: Mayweather/Pacquiao - multiple division champions


The only p4p king that wasn't a multiple division champion at the time he was ranked was Hopkins and he had to make an unprecedented run with 20 title defenses in order to claim that title.
great post.....
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Old 09-20-2012, 03:41 PM
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awesome. so you must wladimir p4p 1 right?
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Old 09-20-2012, 03:44 PM
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awesome. so you must wladimir p4p 1 right?
No the heavyweight division is dreadful...his dominance has gotten him in the top 10 tho
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Old 09-20-2012, 03:50 PM
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No the heavyweight division is dreadful...his dominance has gotten him in the top 10 tho
your op doesn't allude to that.

he's fought the best in his division, and won.
he's shown he's got a great skillset.
and he's defended his territory with an iron fist.

if moving up in weight isn't a big deal, then p4p means nothing. really, with the exception of maybe his brother, nobody in boxing beats him.
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Old 09-20-2012, 03:53 PM
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Where did this thinking come from because it is false...All you have to do is keep fighting the best and win,show a great skill set and defend your territory with an iron fist...Hopkins was the p4p king and he had 1 damn home 160....YOU DO NOT HAVE TO FIGHT IN MULTIPLE DIVISIONS TO BE THE BEST...
It really depends on the competition, may I ask how high did you have Joe Calzaghe in your P4P list before he retired?
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Old 09-20-2012, 04:06 PM
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Well sometimes the best fighters are in other divisions
Yup, my thoughts exactly! Really depends on how much talent there is in a division.
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Old 09-20-2012, 04:24 PM
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Hagler had like 67 fights and won over 60 of them plus had a ko ratin of ova 80%. Dis Ward guy beat a few good guys ova da span of 2 years, it ain't even close to bein da same. Some of da names on Hagla's resume are considered atg's while da names on Ward's resume is no where to be found in the boxin greats archives.

Hagla was knocking guys out while dis Ward hugs and headbutts most of em to death.
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Old 09-20-2012, 04:32 PM
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your op doesn't allude to that.

he's fought the best in his division, and won.
he's shown he's got a great skillset.
and he's defended his territory with an iron fist.

if moving up in weight isn't a big deal, then p4p means nothing. really, with the exception of maybe his brother, nobody in boxing beats him.
this is true..........wlad #1 p4p..
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