Bookmark Website  | Free Registration  | The Team
Boxing Champions |  Boxing Schedule |  Boxing Video  |  Boxing History   |  Pound For Pound  | Lounge  | The Wire |  Audio  | Arcade

Navigation
Go Back   Boxing Forum > Boxing Forums > Non Stop Boxing
View Poll Results: How would a young Fernando Vargas do in today's 154 division
He beat them all 16 53.33%
He loses against 1-2 of the top 10 8 26.67%
He loses against 3+ 1 3.33%
Middle of the Pack 5 16.67%
Voters: 30. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
Thread Navigation

#1
Old 09-11-2012, 09:26 PM
chloelloyd
Banned
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 147
Rep Power: 0 chloelloyd has a reputation beyond repute chloelloyd has a reputation beyond repute chloelloyd has a reputation beyond repute chloelloyd has a reputation beyond repute chloelloyd has a reputation beyond repute chloelloyd has a reputation beyond repute chloelloyd has a reputation beyond repute chloelloyd has a reputation beyond repute chloelloyd has a reputation beyond repute chloelloyd has a reputation beyond repute chloelloyd has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 500,042,456.08
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 500,042,456.08
Default 21-22 Year Old Fernando Vargas. How would he have done in today's 154?

Just looking back at the career of Vargas. At age 21-22, he was beating Ike Quartey, Winky Wright, and Raul Marquez. He gave a very good effort against Trinidad as well.

I watched all 4 fights, it was pretty amazing how some 21 year old could do what he did. If you think about the quality of opposition 21 year old Canelo was fighting and who Chavez Jr was fighting at 21-22, there's no comparison. I admit he was rushed too fast though.

But how well could the Vargas of the Marquez,Wright,Quarter,Trinidad fights do against today's top 154?

Canelo
Cotto
Trout
Kirkland
Molina
Lara
Vanes Martirosyan
Cornelius Bundrage
Cory Spinks
Gabriel Rosado
Victor Ortiz (147-154, say Ortiz carries his skills up to 154)

I honestly see him knocking out most of them and beating everyone other then maybe Cotto.
Reply With Quote
chloelloyd is offline
Advertisements
>>>TO REMOVE THESE ADS, PLEASE REGISTER HERE FOR FREE<<<
#2
Old 09-11-2012, 10:15 PM
dan_cov
Zombie Taylor
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 17,287
Rep Power: 80 dan_cov has a reputation beyond repute dan_cov has a reputation beyond repute dan_cov has a reputation beyond repute dan_cov has a reputation beyond repute dan_cov has a reputation beyond repute dan_cov has a reputation beyond repute dan_cov has a reputation beyond repute dan_cov has a reputation beyond repute dan_cov has a reputation beyond repute dan_cov has a reputation beyond repute dan_cov has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 34,745,764,032,060,776.00
Bank: 40,628,862,236,773,244,928.00
Total Points: 40,663,608,000,805,306,368.00
you have great predictions - here's an apple to sustain that brain power - jas  you deserve a medal for being a truly truly atg poster - jas  I see you hit the lotto...congratulations :fing02: - -jose-  Congrats good call. - Scott.Weiland.  Enjoy - kennylimon 
solid - SlySlickSmooth  ATG poster - Croyd  a cookie for ur kitchen post lol - sugarsmosley  Thx 4 points,made WC more fun - Scott.Weiland  knows s**t about boxin' - SlySlickSmooth 
No Message - Scott Weiland  Ran out of greenies - Beercules  Hope you like cold beer bro! :-) - Tyler_Durden  thanks for the help - KO MX  lol - -jose- 
Merry Xmas m8,i hope it's a good one but more importantly a safe one Dan - HughJass  Merry Christmas, fellow Rigotard. - Sweet Pea 50  Happy New Year Dan m8 - HughJass  :) - Salim_Shady  Cheers! - Tyler_Durden 
Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - ƒallenloki  Anti-Tobacco - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - ƒallenloki  Cesarean Sections - Headaches - Hospice Care - Multiple Myeloma - ƒallenloki  Troop and Military Support - Amber Alert - Bladder Cancer - Endometriosis - Equality - Liver Cancer - Liver Disease - Missing Children - POW/MIA - Spina Bifida - Suicide - codey  Troop and Military Support - Amber Alert - Bladder Cancer - Endometriosis - Equality - Liver Cancer - Liver Disease - Missing Children - POW/MIA - Spina Bifida - Suicide - Daniel Alpha 
Anti-Tobacco - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Daniel Alpha  Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - codey  Bone Marrow Donation - Childhood Depression - Depression - Environment - Eye Injury Prevention - Glaucoma - Kidney Cancer - Kidney Disease - Kidney Transplantation - Leukemia - Lyme Disease - Mental Retardation - Missing Children - Organ Donation - T - codey  Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - codey  Eating Disorders - Esophageal Cancer - Gastroesophageal Reflux Disease - Irritable Bowel Syndrome - Pulmonary Hypertension - codey 
World Trade Center Victims and Heroes - Fireworks Safety - jose830  World Trade Center Victims and Heroes - Fireworks Safety - -jose-  World Trade Center Victims and Heroes - Fireworks Safety - -jose-  Troop and Military Support - Amber Alert - Bladder Cancer - Endometriosis - Equality - Liver Cancer - Liver Disease - Missing Children - POW/MIA - Spina Bifida - Suicide - -jose-  AIDS/HIV - DARE - DUI Awareness - Epidermolysis Bullosa - Heart Disease - Lymphoma - MADD - Substance Abuse - jas 
Eating Disorders - Esophageal Cancer - Gastroesophageal Reflux Disease - Irritable Bowel Syndrome - Pulmonary Hypertension - jas  Emphysema - Lung Cancer - Lung Disease - Multiple Sclerosis - jas  Autism - jas  Cancer - Epilepsy - Foster Care - Gynecological Cancer - Rett Syndrome - jas  Lou Gehrig's Disease (ALS) - jas 
Default

Beats them all most by K.O, I think Lara & Trout would have the best chance of beating him but I'd give Vargas the edge.

Kirkland would get blasted probably in the 1st
Molina likely goes in survival mode & makes a real stinker out of it.
Ortiz would quit at the staredown
Vanes, Bundrage, Cory Spinks, get destroyed! Ripped apart.
Canelo, Cotto get stopped late on.
Gabriel Rosado gives a good account of himself in a FOTY type fight.
Reply With Quote
dan_cov is offline
#3
Old 09-11-2012, 10:17 PM
revs1227
Undisputed Champion
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: OZONE PARK QUEENS NEW YORK CITY
Age: 27
Posts: 7,953
Rep Power: 29 revs1227 has a reputation beyond repute revs1227 has a reputation beyond repute revs1227 has a reputation beyond repute revs1227 has a reputation beyond repute revs1227 has a reputation beyond repute revs1227 has a reputation beyond repute revs1227 has a reputation beyond repute revs1227 has a reputation beyond repute revs1227 has a reputation beyond repute revs1227 has a reputation beyond repute revs1227 has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 2,294,268,868.95
Bank: 6,330,635,192,465.91
Total Points: 6,332,929,461,334.86
Thanks for joining the discussion in my thread about GF's and boxing, its nice to hear everyones experiences with being a fan of the sport!!! - Atreyu Khalil 
Default

lara might be able to ud him but he kos the rest
Reply With Quote
revs1227 is online now
#4
Old 09-11-2012, 10:36 PM
Cutthroat
Hispanic causing panic
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Standin on the corner straight slangin rocks...
Posts: 5,640
Rep Power: 23 Cutthroat has a reputation beyond repute Cutthroat has a reputation beyond repute Cutthroat has a reputation beyond repute Cutthroat has a reputation beyond repute Cutthroat has a reputation beyond repute Cutthroat has a reputation beyond repute Cutthroat has a reputation beyond repute Cutthroat has a reputation beyond repute Cutthroat has a reputation beyond repute Cutthroat has a reputation beyond repute Cutthroat has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 28,809.62
Bank: 90,129,445,378,096,064.00
Total Points: 90,129,445,378,124,880.00
Have a gift boss - rorymac  f*ck yourself - Freedom.  kick this racist creep - Freedom.  Great post about the NFL and boxing - RossCA  No Message - RossCA 
No Message - RossCA  No Message - RossCA 
Arthritis - Child Abuse - Colon Cancer - Colorectal Cancer - Dystonia - Education - Free Speech - Interstitial Cystitis - ME/CFIDS - Reye's Syndrome - Save the Music - Teens Against Smoking - Victim's Rights - Water Quality - RossCA  Gay and Lesbian Pride - RossCA  Breast Cancer - Birth Parents - RossCA 
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dan_cov View Post
Beats them all most by K.O, I think Lara & Trout would have the best chance of beating him but I'd give Vargas the edge.

Kirkland would get blasted probably in the 1st
Molina likely goes in survival mode & makes a real stinker out of it.
Ortiz would quit at the staredown
Vanes, Bundrage, Cory Spinks, get destroyed! Ripped apart.
Canelo, Cotto get stopped late on.
Gabriel Rosado gives a good account of himself in a FOTY type fight.

This, Vargas was a damn beast, idk about trout though.
Reply With Quote
Cutthroat is offline
#5
Old 09-11-2012, 10:43 PM
ElBossHogg™
Banned
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 5,009
Rep Power: 0 ElBossHogg™ has a reputation beyond repute ElBossHogg™ has a reputation beyond repute ElBossHogg™ has a reputation beyond repute ElBossHogg™ has a reputation beyond repute ElBossHogg™ has a reputation beyond repute ElBossHogg™ has a reputation beyond repute ElBossHogg™ has a reputation beyond repute ElBossHogg™ has a reputation beyond repute ElBossHogg™ has a reputation beyond repute ElBossHogg™ has a reputation beyond repute ElBossHogg™ has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 64,911.31
Bank: 42,254,182,116.66
Total Points: 42,254,247,027.97
have a blue parallelogram - Jack Napier  No Message - ElBossHogg  boss poster - I'm so sorry  gif maker king - HUGH JASS  For the amazing sig work. - Garcia's Dad 
For the GIF! - komodo  Have 1 more. - komodo  ....and another. - komodo  welcome back - bigsmoothh  Good to see  you back vato - hectari 
Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - komodo  Bone Marrow Donation - Childhood Depression - Depression - Environment - Eye Injury Prevention - Glaucoma - Kidney Cancer - Kidney Disease - Kidney Transplantation - Leukemia - Lyme Disease - Mental Retardation - Missing Children - Organ Donation - T - bigsmoothh 
Default

****ing Vargas Murders them all, Angulo will be the only with the chin and heart to last and put up a fight.
Reply With Quote
ElBossHogg™ is offline
#6
Old 09-11-2012, 10:58 PM
CHOWWOKKA
lats of peace
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 5,451
Rep Power: 28 CHOWWOKKA has a reputation beyond repute CHOWWOKKA has a reputation beyond repute CHOWWOKKA has a reputation beyond repute CHOWWOKKA has a reputation beyond repute CHOWWOKKA has a reputation beyond repute CHOWWOKKA has a reputation beyond repute CHOWWOKKA has a reputation beyond repute CHOWWOKKA has a reputation beyond repute CHOWWOKKA has a reputation beyond repute CHOWWOKKA has a reputation beyond repute CHOWWOKKA has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 615,651,259,237.28
Bank: 50,294,581,172,066.84
Total Points: 50,910,232,431,304.12
owning pactards left and right with ease - I'm so sorry  Happy Easter, anyway! :) :kiss: - Bossy  have an apple - bigsmoothh  Happy holidays bro! - led* 
Default

Not well at all, fighters today are asking for random drug testing.
Reply With Quote
CHOWWOKKA is offline
#7
Old 09-11-2012, 11:43 PM
Chuckguy
Undisputed Champion
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Da Nard, Cali
Posts: 7,297
Rep Power: 22 Chuckguy has a reputation beyond repute Chuckguy has a reputation beyond repute Chuckguy has a reputation beyond repute Chuckguy has a reputation beyond repute Chuckguy has a reputation beyond repute Chuckguy has a reputation beyond repute Chuckguy has a reputation beyond repute Chuckguy has a reputation beyond repute Chuckguy has a reputation beyond repute Chuckguy has a reputation beyond repute Chuckguy has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 1,016,282,377.50
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 1,016,282,377.50
No Message - gancho_al_igado  this ones on me - KING MEAT  Thanks for joining the discussion in my thread about GF's and boxing, its nice to hear everyones experiences with being a fan of the sport!!! - Atreyu Khalil 
Default

Canelo would be a toss up. Cotto KO him late.
Ortiz has the skill to beat him early but knowing Vargas heart he gets up from 2-3 knock downs and comes back to KO him late
Omg! Lmfao at u guys talk about hype! Lara really? Based on what a fooken
KO of Ronald fooken hearnS? Really? Haha
Reply With Quote
Chuckguy is offline
#8
Old 09-11-2012, 11:46 PM
Joey_Torreo
Undisputed Champion
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Northern California
Posts: 1,697
Rep Power: 7 Joey_Torreo has a reputation beyond repute Joey_Torreo has a reputation beyond repute Joey_Torreo has a reputation beyond repute Joey_Torreo has a reputation beyond repute Joey_Torreo has a reputation beyond repute Joey_Torreo has a reputation beyond repute Joey_Torreo has a reputation beyond repute Joey_Torreo has a reputation beyond repute Joey_Torreo has a reputation beyond repute Joey_Torreo has a reputation beyond repute Joey_Torreo has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 106,009,024,403.74
Bank: 467,620,203.52
Total Points: 106,476,644,607.26
for a top poster - thuggery 
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by chloelloyd View Post
Just looking back at the career of Vargas. At age 21-22, he was beating Ike Quartey, Winky Wright, and Raul Marquez. He gave a very good effort against Trinidad as well.

I watched all 4 fights, it was pretty amazing how some 21 year old could do what he did. If you think about the quality of opposition 21 year old Canelo was fighting and who Chavez Jr was fighting at 21-22, there's no comparison. I admit he was rushed too fast though.

But how well could the Vargas of the Marquez,Wright,Quarter,Trinidad fights do against today's top 154?

Canelo
Cotto
Trout
Kirkland
Molina
Lara
Vanes Martirosyan
Cornelius Bundrage
Cory Spinks
Gabriel Rosado
Victor Ortiz (147-154, say Ortiz carries his skills up to 154)

I honestly see him knocking out most of them and beating everyone other then maybe Cotto.
great question, ive often wondered about vargas in todays 154 division but get upset over the fact that he was rushed to soon. Wouldve loved to see him against Angulo and Lara out of all those listed
Reply With Quote
Joey_Torreo is offline
#9
Old 09-11-2012, 11:57 PM
Simply Zyzz
Banned
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 1,028
Rep Power: 0 Simply Zyzz is infamous around these parts Simply Zyzz is infamous around these parts Simply Zyzz is infamous around these parts Simply Zyzz is infamous around these parts Simply Zyzz is infamous around these parts Simply Zyzz is infamous around these parts Simply Zyzz is infamous around these parts Simply Zyzz is infamous around these parts Simply Zyzz is infamous around these parts Simply Zyzz is infamous around these parts Simply Zyzz is infamous around these parts
Points: 124,696.12
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 124,696.12
Default

is this with or without steroids?......


oh wait, he got knocked the fuk out on steroids...
Reply With Quote
Simply Zyzz is offline
#10
Old 09-12-2012, 12:02 AM
Grimgash
Undisputed Champion
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
Age: 29
Posts: 2,421
Rep Power: 19 Grimgash has a reputation beyond repute Grimgash has a reputation beyond repute Grimgash has a reputation beyond repute Grimgash has a reputation beyond repute Grimgash has a reputation beyond repute Grimgash has a reputation beyond repute Grimgash has a reputation beyond repute Grimgash has a reputation beyond repute Grimgash has a reputation beyond repute Grimgash has a reputation beyond repute Grimgash has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 22,000,044,115.43
Bank: 6,455,680,166,695.63
Total Points: 6,477,680,210,811.06
Send a message via AIM to Grimgash
Default

Why isn't the 154 Lb. champ mayweather on that list? Anyhow... He beats most of them and he'd prob have a belt, but not everyone... Trout, Cotto and May would beat him IMO.
Reply With Quote
Grimgash is offline
Reply

Share This With Friends

Tags
154? , 21-22 , fernando , today's , vargas. , year

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump

Privacy Policy - Submit News - Feedback - Site Map - Advertise with Us

Copyright © 2003-2014 BoxingScene LLC All rights reserved.

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:15 AM.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.