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Old 09-03-2012, 01:13 PM
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because he wasn't married and he took his time...otherwise his wife would of made him do it in 3 days...
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Old 09-03-2012, 02:42 PM
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"Days" are just used to signify periods of time

First there was light, then the land masses formed, then water came to this planet, then the plant matter, then the animals of the land/sea/air, then man. Modern Science has proven this is chronologically accurate. Back then, nobody would have had any way of proving it.

The sun and the earth are even described as "spherical" back in a time when the whole world thought the earth was flat.

All the athiests born when the bible was written would have thought the earth was flat too. But because we have google and modern science books, athiests born today think they're smarter when there's no difference.
Bro, my 2 year old can look at the sun and moon and determine that it's spherical.
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Old 09-03-2012, 03:35 PM
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"Days" are just used to signify periods of time

First there was light, then the land masses formed, then water came to this planet, then the plant matter, then the animals of the land/sea/air, then man. Modern Science has proven this is chronologically accurate. Back then, nobody would have had any way of proving it.

The sun and the earth are even described as "spherical" back in a time when the whole world thought the earth was flat.

All the athiests born when the bible was written would have thought the earth was flat too. But because we have google and modern science books, athiests born today think they're smarter when there's no difference.
Actually it was described as "circular", which is a flat object

Note the difference

Circle:


Sphere:
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Old 09-03-2012, 04:29 PM
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"Days" are just used to signify periods of time
That is one theological excuse, plenty don't disagree. The evidence does not support either a literal six day creation of a day/epoch interpretation though, even if you ignore that the order of creation is different in Gen 1 than it is in Gen 2.

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First there was light, then the land masses formed, then water came to this planet, then the plant matter, then the animals of the land/sea/air, then man.
All this can be checked.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...+1&version=NIV

Day 1:

The heaven and the earth, then light, then day and night.

Day 2:

The sky.

Day 3:

The seas and the land - then land plants including fruit bearing trees.


Day 4:

The sun and the moon. Now if you're talking literal days then it's a bit silly because the source of light was created three days after the light itself, and plants went two whole days without sunlight. But if you're subscribing to day/epoch interpretations you have to accept that light existed with no source and plants existed with no fuel for aeons before the sun was invented.

I'll carry on.

Day 5:

Sea creatures and birds. Yes, apparently birds were created before reptiles in defiance of all paleontological evidence.

Day 6:

Land animals split for some reason into "wild" and "livestock. Then peeps.

Day 7:

Fuck all. Maybe watched the rugby.

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Modern Science has proven this is chronologically accurate. Back then, nobody would have had any way of proving it.
Clearly this is not chronologically accurate. Light was created before the source of light? The earth existed before the sun? Birds existed prior to land reptiles? Trees existed before sea dwelling animals?

If you're making an argument for divine inspiration it isn't a very good one. And that's without going on to Genesis 2 which has a different order of creation.

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The sun and the earth are even described as "spherical" back in a time when the whole world thought the earth was flat.
Actually the term used was "circle". Circles are flat. The bible also talks about the "four corners of the world" that hold up "the firmament" and also the "pillars of the earth". If god was so interested in helping people understand scientific concepts perhaps he could have made a detailed explanation of how the earth orbits the sun. Hey and also a quick rundown of germ theory could have been a nice thought.

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All the athiests

Atheists.

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born when the bible was written would have thought the earth was flat too.
"When the bible was written". Interesting phrase. The bible was first written in about 600 BCE, around the same time that Pythagoras was actually arguing for a spherical earth by using logic.

But 600 BCE is not the time that the bible was written. That's when the Pentateuch was written down, that is Genesis, Exodus, Numbers, Leviticus and Deuteronomy. Isiah 40:22-24 dates to about 550 BCE. And, crucially, it does not say that the earth was a sphere.

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But because we have google and modern science books, athiests born today think they're smarter when there's no difference.
Are we smarter than bronze age desert goat herders? Not objectively so. I mean I would destroy any bronze age desert goat herder when it comes to mathematics or literacy or general knowledge, but drop me in the desert with some goats and bronze tools and I'm screwed.

It doesn't change the fact that we have many advantages over bronze age desert goat herders when it comes to access to knowledge, the most important one being writing. It's writing that has allowed the compiling and sharing of large amounts of knowledge. Living in the Google age is merely an extension of this.
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That is one theological excuse, plenty don't disagree. The evidence does not support either a literal six day creation of a day/epoch interpretation though, even if you ignore that the order of creation is different in Gen 1 than it is in Gen 2.



All this can be checked.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...+1&version=NIV

Day 1:

The heaven and the earth, then light, then day and night.

Day 2:

The sky.

Day 3:

The seas and the land - then land plants including fruit bearing trees.


Day 4:

The sun and the moon. Now if you're talking literal days then it's a bit silly because the source of light was created three days after the light itself, and plants went two whole days without sunlight. But if you're subscribing to day/epoch interpretations you have to accept that light existed with no source and plants existed with no fuel for aeons before the sun was invented.

I'll carry on.

Day 5:

Sea creatures and birds. Yes, apparently birds were created before reptiles in defiance of all paleontological evidence.

Day 6:

Land animals split for some reason into "wild" and "livestock. Then peeps.

Day 7:

Fuck all. Maybe watched the rugby.



Clearly this is not chronologically accurate. Light was created before the source of light? The earth existed before the sun? Birds existed prior to land reptiles? Trees existed before sea dwelling animals?

If you're making an argument for divine inspiration it isn't a very good one. And that's without going on to Genesis 2 which has a different order of creation.



Actually the term used was "circle". Circles are flat. The bible also talks about the "four corners of the world" that hold up "the firmament" and also the "pillars of the earth". If god was so interested in helping people understand scientific concepts perhaps he could have made a detailed explanation of how the earth orbits the sun. Hey and also a quick rundown of germ theory could have been a nice thought.




Atheists.



"When the bible was written". Interesting phrase. The bible was first written in about 600 BCE, around the same time that Pythagoras was actually arguing for a spherical earth by using logic.

But 600 BCE is not the time that the bible was written. That's when the Pentateuch was written down, that is Genesis, Exodus, Numbers, Leviticus and Deuteronomy. Isiah 40:22-24 dates to about 550 BCE. And, crucially, it does not say that the earth was a sphere.



Are we smarter than bronze age desert goat herders? Not objectively so. I mean I would destroy any bronze age desert goat herder when it comes to mathematics or literacy or general knowledge, but drop me in the desert with some goats and bronze tools and I'm screwed.

It doesn't change the fact that we have many advantages over bronze age desert goat herders when it comes to access to knowledge, the most important one being writing. It's writing that has allowed the compiling and sharing of large amounts of knowledge. Living in the Google age is merely an extension of this.
Intelligence is doing the most with the least.

Newton still diagramed gravity, Shakespeare still created beauty, Ancient philosophers still found enlightenment. No matter how little they had and how much people tomorrow will have, you can't measure.

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Intelligence is an interesting part of psychology. It's interesting because it has never really been satisfactorily defined. Nobody can agree on a definition.

But I think that everyone can agree that "Intelligence is doing the most with the least" is NOT the definition of intelligence.

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Newton still diagramed gravity, Ancient philosophers still found enlightenment. No matter how little they had and how much people tomorrow will have.
Newton "diagramed" (sic) gravity? "Enlightenment"? I responded in detail repudiating your claims and you ignored it in favour of this babble!
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who wrote the genesis? who is the guy responsible for writing this? how did he come up with an info as grand as the creation itself?
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Adam......

http://www.british-israel.ca/Genesis.htm
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to the more knowlegeable guys here...

who wrote the genesis? who is the guy responsible for writing this? how did he come up with an info as grand as the creation itself?
The Pentateuch is generally attributed to Moses. If Moses existed. Certainly the claimed 40 year route out of Egypt didn't.
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adam already knew how to speak, read and write when he was made? and what language?

as i recall in my schooling, language originated in mesopotamia in the city of sumer around 3000 years BC... and those guys practiced polytheism...

do you really believe it was adam? or are you claiming adam was a mesopotamian?
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