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Old 08-25-2012, 04:46 PM
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No. There is only one fight of the year so you can only win it once. A fighter could win the fight of the year and the 2nd best fight of the year if that is what you mean.
That's exactly what I mean.

#1 Upset of the year, and then second place is his other upset of that same year.
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Old 08-25-2012, 04:49 PM
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Odds-wise, that's really close to saying "I saw Douglas vs Tyson as a toss up coming in".
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Old 08-25-2012, 05:09 PM
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He was a 16/1 underdog by a long list of bookmakers so I'd say it was an asbolute upset.
again, it wasnt an upset to me. to the oddsmakers and the casual fan it was but i wasnt suprised at all. i knew ortiz was very overrated and lopez extremely underrated and that it was a very close fight.
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Old 08-25-2012, 05:18 PM
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Odds-wise, that's really close to saying "I saw Douglas vs Tyson as a toss up coming in".
its not even close to that even odds wise. either way tyson was an undefeated undisputed champion who walked through almost every opponent in front of him up to that point. ortiz had been stopped twice, quit once and laid out the second time. which was his very last fight.

tyson had no known major flaws going into the douglas fight. everyone in boxing knows about ortiz' mental lapses, suspect chin and average skills. hes a big lefty who can punch and got some hand speed. what else is there to him? hes average and on top of that he folds under pressure.

lopez is a solid fighter, nothing spectacular but a good pro. hes tough as nails, never been stopped, always in great shape and very hungry. his skills are as good if not better than ortiz', hes smarter and much tougher. ortiz has the flashy power that makes ppl soil themselves with excitement but overall the kid is ordinary and lopez tearing his heart out his chest shouldnt have been a surprise to anyone.

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Old 08-25-2012, 05:26 PM
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Ortiz-Lopez being 16-1 is like Tyson-Douglas odds in today's boxing world.

Sure Tyson was a 42-1 favorite. But you don't even see Floyd being 16-1 against his supposedly "overmatched" opponents. At worst he's 8-1.

To be 16-1? That's just way too much and has to be seen as a slaughter by everyone.
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42-1 odds? Wow whoever bet on Douglas that night cleaned up something serious lol
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42-1 odds? Wow whoever bet on Douglas that night cleaned up something serious lol
after all these years I've never heard of anyone making any big money off that fight. Most casino's weren't even accepting bets on the fight since it was such a foregone conclusion tyson would win, which is why it even reached 42-1 odds at the few places that were taking bets.
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Lopez isnt going to win upset of the uear. Jaro a complete bum beating wonjongcam or how ever u spell his name is a bigger upset
I agree, and I don't think Lopez's upset is close to as huge. Jaro beat the crap out of Wonjongkam.

Holy crap, I googled that name to make sure I spelled it right and I did.
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To even think Lopez had a chance, you must've been guessing. To think the fight was a toss up coming, after seeing Lopez fight a war with average Jessie Vargas, I just don't know what to say.

I won't call you a liar. Because I had Hopkins brutalizing Pavlik, and Mosley beating Margarito coming in, and Margarito raping Cotto because he was too big and too strong and had too good a chin, while every one else thought Hopkins and Mosley were dead men walking, and Cotto was invincible. It looks like BS, but sometimes there's something very few people see in the underdog's style other than just a "guess", that other people don't see. It baffled me why the hell Margarito, Hopkins, and Mosley were underdogs coming in. I was telling every one on youtube, they don't know sh-t about boxing for picking Cotto, Pavlik, and Margarito[vs Mosley], but in those 3 fights I was one of the few picking the underdog based on styles, especially Hopkins and Mosley, because Margarito had a lot of people picking him but he was still underdog.

But I admit, I couldn't fiind anything whatsoever to pick Lopez over Ortiz. It would have bee just a guess or a "I'm going for the underdog" type of pick. I genuinely thought Ortiz would destroy him. So to see that as an even fight coming in, you'd have to be Nostradamus or something.
No, it's just that Ortiz has proven you can't ever assume he can't lose to anyone. I thought he'd win, but it wasn't some crazy upset because we are talking about Victor Ortiz.
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No, it's just that Ortiz has proven you can't ever assume he can't lose to anyone. I thought he'd win, but it wasn't some crazy upset because we are talking about Victor Ortiz.
Really? You didn't consider Lopez beating Ortiz to be a crazy upset?

Ortiz has his flaws and is incredibly vunerable but Joseito Lopez beating him is something that literally no one expected. Which explains the very lop sided odds.

That fight will certainly win upset of the year unless Charr beats Klitschko or something.
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