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Old 08-20-2012, 05:18 AM
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Enzo Maccarinelli if he had a chin.
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enzo? seriously? enzo being garbage comes down to more than his glass jaw. dude could be like a CW lamotta with his chin and he still wouldnt be an atg. he just doesnt have the skills or even the physical talent for it, bcuz lets be real his skills are garbage. enzo is not even one of the 10 best CWs of his own era and you talking atg?

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Miguel Cotto: If he had endurance.
Victor Ortiz: If he was mentally stable. The kid has good size, good power and speed but is a mental case.
miguel cotto is an atg, or will be when its all said and done. his staioma is good too, dont have a clue what you are talking about.

ortiz isnt good enough to be an atg even if he was mentally stronger. hes a good athlete but hes not a good boxer, his skills are weak and his boxing intelligence too. he will look good against lesser opponents and otherfighters who rely entirely on athletisism. but against a real well rounded fighter with skills at the highest level ortiz could never compete regardless of his mental state.

speed, power and size is a fraction of what makes a good fighter. skills and intellgence is the key to this sport and ortiz has neither.
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Old 08-20-2012, 05:48 AM
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enzo? seriously? enzo being garbage comes down to more than his glass jaw. dude could be like a CW lamotta with his chin and he still wouldnt be an atg. he just doesnt have the skills or even the physical talent for it, bcuz lets be real his skills are garbage. enzo is not even one of the 10 best CWs of his own era and you talking atg?



miguel cotto is an atg, or will be when its all said and done. his staioma is good too, dont have a clue what you are talking about.

ortiz isnt good enough to be an atg even if he was mentally stronger. hes a good athlete but hes not a good boxer, his skills are weak and his boxing intelligence too. he will look good against lesser opponents and otherfighters who rely entirely on athletisism. but against a real well rounded fighter with skills at the highest level ortiz could never compete regardless of his mental state.

speed, power and size is a fraction of what makes a good fighter. skills and intellgence is the key to this sport and ortiz has neither.
He did say p4p also not just ATG
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Old 08-20-2012, 06:01 AM
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enzo? seriously? enzo being garbage comes down to more than his glass jaw. dude could be like a CW lamotta with his chin and he still wouldnt be an atg. he just doesnt have the skills or even the physical talent for it, bcuz lets be real his skills are garbage. enzo is not even one of the 10 best CWs of his own era and you talking atg?



miguel cotto is an atg, or will be when its all said and done. his staioma is good too, dont have a clue what you are talking about.

ortiz isnt good enough to be an atg even if he was mentally stronger. hes a good athlete but hes not a good boxer, his skills are weak and his boxing intelligence too. he will look good against lesser opponents and otherfighters who rely entirely on athletisism. but against a real well rounded fighter with skills at the highest level ortiz could never compete regardless of his mental state.

speed, power and size is a fraction of what makes a good fighter. skills and intellgence is the key to this sport and ortiz has neither.



Yeah his defense is not spectacular tbf but he does have very good boxing ability.
I can't recall anybody ever coming close to outboxing him.
If he had a world class chin I really do believe he could of been something.
I believe everytime he was ever K.Od he was well ahead at the time.
His chin just absolutely sucks.
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Old 08-20-2012, 06:04 AM
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enzo? seriously? enzo being garbage comes down to more than his glass jaw. dude could be like a CW lamotta with his chin and he still wouldnt be an atg. he just doesnt have the skills or even the physical talent for it, bcuz lets be real his skills are garbage. enzo is not even one of the 10 best CWs of his own era and you talking atg?



miguel cotto is an atg, or will be when its all said and done. his staioma is good too, dont have a clue what you are talking about.

ortiz isnt good enough to be an atg even if he was mentally stronger. hes a good athlete but hes not a good boxer, his skills are weak and his boxing intelligence too. he will look good against lesser opponents and otherfighters who rely entirely on athletisism. but against a real well rounded fighter with skills at the highest level ortiz could never compete regardless of his mental state.

speed, power and size is a fraction of what makes a good fighter. skills and intellgence is the key to this sport and ortiz has neither.
cotto is not a atg yet homie
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Old 08-20-2012, 06:43 AM
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on of what makes a good fighter. skills and intellgence is the key to this sport and ortiz has neither.
Ring intelligence is also one aspect of the sport, it's not superior to the others. If that was the case, guys like Marciano and Chavez wouldn't be ATGs.
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There's the Wizard of Oz trio in recent welterweight memory.

Judah needs a brain.
Clottey needs heart.
Ortiz needs courage.
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While I don't think Wladimir's chin is as weak as its made out to be, its still not a good one. With a solid chin he'd be up there.

However, since his last knockout, Wlad has lost that killer instinct he once had. So I guess he now needs two tools.
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David Tua if he had the boxing IQ.

Or even just a good trainer.



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I know this is off topic man but, is your profile pic Joe Frazier at the beginning of a cough?
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