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Old 08-18-2012, 05:11 PM
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He can be forced to the ropes by bigger fighters that can jab or feint him there. This isn't a big problem since he's the best at fighting off the ropes, but he's still better in the center of the ring than he is off the ropes.

He sacrifices some mobility by having the wide base for his shoulder roll guard.

That post about the southpaw jab is utter bullsh1t
yeah most Trainers would tell their fighter to "GET OFF THE ROPES!" but with Mayweather, he seems to use the Ropes and spring off of them for MORE POWER, he Buckled Oscar De La Hoya while doing this during their fight, kinda Springing off the Ropes and catching him with a Right to the Forehead

but yeah for most fighters I would think leaning against the Ropes would be a BAD THING!

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Old 08-18-2012, 05:37 PM
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That Marquez was 2 fights removed from having to move up 3 divisions just to fight Floyd ..... yet Floyd needed more of an advantage as he never intended to come in at the expected 144lbs CW and came in at 146lbs. Marquez was in uncharted territory. Marquez looked smaller and flabby looking to.

With Manny, they had 3 fights where Marquez was not considered the smaller guy in any of the fights as they both weighed in at about the same weight. Marquez also adjusted properly against Manny for their 3rd fight.


This was certainly one of Floyd's lowest points as far as CHERRY-PICKING but Floyd and his fans can't admit it .... all they can say is "..... but but he was P4P #2"
well how low of a cherry pick was it for Manny??considering it went terribly wrong...........lol
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Old 08-18-2012, 05:41 PM
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Are we talking specifically about Mayweather or that style in general? anyway random thoughts:

Floyd has taken the style beyond anyone I've seen because he had that incredible footwork when he was younger. I mean, he was using the shell on the fly basically and that is incredibly difficult to do because one of the weakness in that style is that you have to momentarily become flat footed to use it. Those years when he could use footwork have allowed him to extend into his mid 30's without any significant ring wear on his body.

Others good fighters who also perfected it, James Toney for example, were relatively flat footed. Toney did have footwork himself at one point but it wasn't the fastest out there. They could still make you fight their fight and could beat you at any place in the ring, but sometimes when they met guys with superior foot speed it became a problem. You can hit at angles and gtfo.

I think a pretty good recent example of what I mean when you get superior talent versus a decent fighter who uses the shell would be Zab Judah vs Vernon Paris. There you had someone with extremely fast hands and feet against a decent fighter who basically uses the shell and is an inside fighter like Paris. The weaknesses were obvious and it confirms the first four rounds of Judah vs Mayweather where he did have a little of success based on the basic idea I'm talking about. Roy vs Toney is another classic example. There are inherent risks unless you are Floyd basically. You can sort of see where the liabilities are now that Mayweather legs seem to have dropped off a bit.

Certain types of pressure fighters also can have success, other posters have noted the types of punches that will work and I agree. Has to be smart pressure...takes a lot of discipline and patience to not simply bombard that style with meaningless shots because you are going to get countered with FLUSH shots. Vassily Jirov vs Toney is a great example of the type of smart pressure you can put on that style and have success. It also takes a ton of work to even get inside without getting ****ed up and there is a reason why Castillo and Cotto will be remembered as some of the eras best pressure fighters. They aren't just walking forward and plodding.
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Old 08-18-2012, 06:40 PM
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Floyd is doing it less these days but he has a tendency to pose and a tendency to hesitate. Cotto made him look foolish on many occasions and highlighted these errors. Castillo did it back in the day.
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Old 08-18-2012, 06:42 PM
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The style is full of holes and shortcomings until its Floyd Mayweather , then its pure genius .
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Old 08-18-2012, 07:07 PM
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That Marquez was 2 fights removed from having to move up 3 divisions just to fight Floyd ..... yet Floyd needed more of an advantage as he never intended to come in at the expected 144lbs CW and came in at 146lbs. Marquez was in uncharted territory. Marquez looked smaller and flabby looking to.

With Manny, they had 3 fights where Marquez was not considered the smaller guy in any of the fights as they both weighed in at about the same weight. Marquez also adjusted properly against Manny for their 3rd fight.


This was certainly one of Floyd's lowest points as far as CHERRY-PICKING but Floyd and his fans can't admit it .... all they can say is "..... but but he was P4P #2"
Floyd should have never agreed to the catchweight to begin with imo. 144 was too low for Floyd to make. Floyd didn't need to cheat Marquez. That's why boxing fans hate trolls, Floyd, Pacquiao and Marquez FANATICS, not their true fans.

Floyd always comes in shape. It's funny that two lbs matters when Floyd comes in at 146 instead of 144, but those same two lbs don't matter when Pacquiao Cotto is fought at 145.

Floyd told GBP a week before the fight that he couldn't make 144 comfortably which is why they gave Marquez more money yet Floyd the weasel needed 2 lbs to cheat Marquez. Hilarious!

And Marquez challenged Floyd so stop lying to posters to gain attention.

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Old 08-18-2012, 07:09 PM
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Old 08-18-2012, 07:11 PM
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You are open to getting hit by right hooks (or jabs) and straight left hands from a southpaw fighter because the angle is wrong. It is also why you would never see a southpaw use it because they would get killed against right handed fighters.
Floyd's style is more complex than that though, which is why he doesn't really fight like that against southpaws.
Zab Judah???
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Old 08-18-2012, 08:15 PM
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You are open to getting hit by right hooks (or jabs) and straight left hands from a southpaw fighter because the angle is wrong. It is also why you would never see a southpaw use it because they would get killed against right handed fighters.

Floyd's style is more complex than that though, which is why he doesn't really fight like that against southpaws.
Judah did a pretty good job with it
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Old 08-18-2012, 08:18 PM
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Judah did a pretty good job with it
Because he matched the speed ,raw speed can match any style , you ever seen Judah that fast and sharp against an elite fighter I dont think I have , Zab was in the zone that night , they lift when they fight Floyd .
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