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Old 08-18-2012, 03:30 AM
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Lol so you dont believe it? what about the surgery he went through after the fight? You believe that? Dip****.
You can have a lightly injured shoulder before the fight and make the injury 10x worse after it. So according to you Kirkland lost because of that shoulder? It wasn't because of his terrible game plan, lack of skills and poor mentality? GTFO. Suddenly a boxer with an injured shoulder can't move his legs and loses all his ability to fight.

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Old 08-18-2012, 03:38 AM
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Old 08-18-2012, 04:12 AM
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There probably isn't a boxer in a world with some type of lingering physical issue.
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Old 08-18-2012, 04:33 AM
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You can have a lightly injured shoulder before the fight and make the injury 10x worse after it. So according to you Kirkland lost because of that shoulder? It wasn't because of his terrible game plan, lack of skills and poor mentality? GTFO. Suddenly a boxer with an injured shoulder can't move his legs and loses all his ability to fight.
it wasn't a lightly injured arm............his arm actually came out of the socket in training camp. thats why he was at the hospital............

face it. molina wasn't impressive at all against a 1 armed kirkland & somehow almost got ko'd................
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Old 08-18-2012, 05:11 AM
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Should of pulled out of the fight then. He knew the risk of going into the fight injured.
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Old 08-18-2012, 05:41 AM
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Was he injured/Drugged against Ishida? I dont get whats going on here though, He beat Molina.....So i dont get all this issues that seem to be coming out.
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Old 08-18-2012, 09:06 AM
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Ya, people won't shut up. But this is further proof he wasn't himself fight night and IMO was on his way to getting the stoppage.
What do you mean he wasn't himself? I don't like when people say this. He looked exactly like himself. He wasn't aggressive because he didn't have an easy target in front of him, he kept getting hit in the face, and every time he did get close Molina tied him up.
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Old 08-18-2012, 10:33 AM
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I didn't like the ending of the Molina fight & I think it should have been allowed to play out. But I know Kirkland has had an injured shoulder for some time, everybody did. I'd like the rematch if possible.

154 needs to get those top heavy guys all together. there's only 1 fighter at 154 that won't be involved as long as there's a possibility of a showdown with him & either Cotto or Floyd. The business of boxing.
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Old 08-18-2012, 10:58 AM
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Old 08-18-2012, 11:11 AM
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You can have a lightly injured shoulder before the fight and make the injury 10x worse after it. So according to you Kirkland lost because of that shoulder? It wasn't because of his terrible game plan, lack of skills and poor mentality? GTFO. Suddenly a boxer with an injured shoulder can't move his legs and loses all his ability to fight.
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What do you mean he wasn't himself? I don't like when people say this. He looked exactly like himself. He wasn't aggressive because he didn't have an easy target in front of him, he kept getting hit in the face, and every time he did get close Molina tied him up.


I thought he looked like crap because of the shoulder. His punches looked slower with less pop then any fight I have ever seen him in. I said nothing about losing because he won, and IMO was well on his way to get the stoppage. Molina was gassed. You could tell by the way he was holding on for dear life in rd 10.

It bugs me that the fight had to end like that. I wouldnt have to have these conversations.

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