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Old 08-06-2012, 10:02 AM
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it's true, Naz barely cut any weight, Marquez Morales etc are all up at 140 now and they still cut weight to get to that. Back in their primes they could all cut a lot more weight, 15lbs isn;t a huge deal for them

People dont want to admit it but Naz was a midget, he probably could have been a featherweight easily enough
Very true Hamed was much smaller, he's only 5'3.
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Old 08-06-2012, 10:08 AM
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Marquez was paid step aside money as the wbo #1 contender. Similiar to Don King paying WBC #1 Lennox Lewis when Tyson was champion.
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Old 08-06-2012, 10:19 AM
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Lad's,we've already been through this one.Marquez received a career high purse at the time and turned it down.It's all good.Prince Naz had that effect on Mexican fighters.Morales never wanted none,and it took Barrera long enough to sign the contract.



If there ever was a Mexican capable of defeating Hamed,I've yet to see that man on film.The traditional Mexican style is simply tailor-made for Naz.
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Old 08-06-2012, 10:22 AM
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A young Marquez would literally humiliate Hamed worse than Barrera did.

Marquez would probably end his career and would stop him late in the fight.

Thank god Hamed ducked him (according to Hamed own trainer)
Show me where Hamed's own trainer said he ducked him?

Steward said he advised Hamed to not fight Marquez, where does that say Hamed ducked him?

The Hamed - Marquez fight was in the process of being made untill Marquez lost to Norwood. A ATG he certainly is now but remember at that time, Marquez was a nobody compared to the superstar that was Prince Naseem Hamed.

Juan Manuel Marquez conceded Friday that he turned down a fight with Prince Naseem Hamed, the World Boxing Organization featherweight champion. "I had been waiting two years," said Marquez, speaking through a translator. "Now they want the fight. I wasn't prepared. They did not give me sufficient time to get prepared."

"Hamed is difficult to fight. Hamed is like a wrestler," Marquez said. "He will toss you around if he can. It is almost the same way with fighting (Freddie) Norwood. You have to knock him out to get the victory."

Marquez said he would like to fight Hamed as the champion of one of the other sanctioning bodies. Otherwise, Marquez said, fighting Hamed "is not on even terms."

Nacho Beristain, Marquez's manager, criticized the Hamed camp's negotiating tactics. "They want to get us when all of our energies are gone (from negotiating)," Beristain said. "They are only playing with our heads. We never want to fight (Hamed). Who do they think they are? They came out with an offer of $400,000. It is not worth it."

$400,000 would have been a career high pay for JMM at the time, and by a country mile.

My personal opinion is neither fighter ducked each other...it was just one of those that didn't happen, for loads of different reasons.
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Old 08-06-2012, 10:26 AM
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My personal opinion is neither fighter ducked each other...it was just one of those that didn't happen, for loads of different reasons.
I think this is a very good observation.
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Old 08-06-2012, 12:14 PM
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Lad's,we've already been through this one.Marquez received a career high purse at the time and turned it down.It's all good.Prince Naz had that effect on Mexican fighters.Morales never wanted none,and it took Barrera long enough to sign the contract.



If there ever was a Mexican capable of defeating Hamed,I've yet to see that man on film.The traditional Mexican style is simply tailor-made for Naz.
So you missed when Barrera beat him? And JMM does not fight the traditional mexican style. JMM is a more complete fighter than Hamed ever was.
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Old 08-06-2012, 12:22 PM
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So you missed when Barrera beat him? And JMM does not fight the traditional mexican style. JMM is a more complete fighter than Hamed ever was.
Very true, Hamed did a lot of things wrong. He stood with his hands down, lunged with punches, moved back in straight lines, end up off balance after throwing. He was so damn good with just his natural ability that if he did fix the wrongs he would have been one of the greats.
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Lad's,we've already been through this one.Marquez received a career high purse at the time and turned it down.It's all good.Prince Naz had that effect on Mexican fighters.Morales never wanted none,and it took Barrera long enough to sign the contract.



If there ever was a Mexican capable of defeating Hamed,I've yet to see that man on film.The traditional Mexican style is simply tailor-made for Naz.
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Lads,I'm aware of this Mexican fella.The point is,Barrera,on that particular night,was not a Mexican.He was a cautious,conservative,almost timid little fella that boxed like a man that lived in absolute fear of the other.And that's perfectly ok,because there was nothing in the rules that suggested that he couldn't box in that manner.But he certainly didn't not represent his birth nation on that night with such a style.


It was a dull,boring encounter with not many clear rounds.I had it even at the end,but I certainly didn't protest the decision when they gave it to Marco.Naz was essentially fighting in the other guy's back garden,and anything less than a knockout/stoppage meant his first loss.



I've seen Marquez hit with some left hands in my time,and this is more than enough evidence for me to conclude that Marquez wouldn't have lasted more than three rounds with Naz.I respect Juan Manuel as the fine boxer and gentleman that he is,but it's just a bad match-up for him.The Prince's entrance to the ring would most likely last longer.

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Lads,I'm aware of this Mexican fella.The point is,Barrera,on that particular night,was not a Mexican.He was a cautious,conservative,almost timid little fella that boxed like a man that lived in absolute fear of the other.And that's perfectly ok,because there was nothing in the rules that suggested that he couldn't box in that manner.But he certainly didn't not represent his birth nation on that night with such a style.


It was a dull,boring encounter with not many clear rounds.I had it even at the end,but I certainly didn't protest the decision when they gave it to Marco.Naz was essentially fighting in the other guy's back garden,and anything less than a knockout/stoppage meant his first loss.



I've seen Marquez hit with some left hands in my time,and this is more than enough evidence for me to conclude that Marquez wouldn't have lasted more than three rounds with Naz.I respect Juan Manuel as the fine boxer and gentleman that he is,but it's just a bad match-up for him.The Prince's entrance to the ring would most likely last longer.
He lasted 36 against Pacman but wont last 3 against Hamed? Wow.
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