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Old 07-27-2012, 05:31 PM
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And this is ultimately what bothers me the most. "Robbery" is the literal term. These "judges" that scored against Richie are criminals in a very real sense. Most of us look past that because it's so commonplace in boxing…almost a damn tradition, quite frankly. It's real easy to take cover behind the plausible notion that "nobody's perfect". But no one can tell me that an honest professional judge would be capable of making such a bad call. What those larcenous bastards did was rob a man who put in honest work of his hard earned compensation. Abril's record will always reflect that unjust loss. In today's version of the sport, we all know how critical fans can be of the numbers in the "L" column. And a win against Rios would've immediately set Richard up for at least one big payday. Thieves....
Yea, I bet you these so called judges never fought in their lives and dunno what it's like going thru training and losing the weight. If they did, they would probably not be robbing these guys. Well, they probably would cause money talks I guess....
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I heard Abril vs. Rees is a done deal for the WBA
That is correct. But for a guy who tends to get robbed, I do not like his chances in the UK. If he does win tho, that belt might be a blessing.
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Old 07-27-2012, 06:00 PM
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both abril and vasquez suffer from the same issues. i think both of them are among the best boxers from 130 to 147. the issue is they dont have fans who are particularly interested in their style. vasquez is mexican but his style is not entertaining to many in the mexican fanbase. so even tho hes probably one of the best mexican fighters in this current era, he gets next to no attention. he gets **** fights while other, less skilled mexican fighters get heaped with praise. kinda sad. same thing with fighters like abril and molina. first of all abril is cuban, there isnt really a strong cuban fanbase for boxing in american. secondly, his style is just ehhh, so not many wanna see him fight. hes a spoiler. its very hard for a spoiler to win a fight in this era of super mega stars who bring action to a fight. the most sucessful spoiler has been bernard hopkins by far, but even he wasnt always a spoiler. he had big moments where he looked like a dominating fighter not just a dominating boxer. sad thats the way the boxing world works but it does for now and it will until fans start tp get more educated on what they are actually seeing.
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Old 07-27-2012, 06:08 PM
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Abril is the lightweight version of Andre Ward, that is no excuse for him getting robbed. He should be recognized as an undefeated fight though
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Old 07-27-2012, 07:07 PM
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Abril is a fighter that has a strong chance to either a) spoil your plans, or b) at least require that you rob him. And he's not a crowd-pleaser, so why would a promoter put their guy in there with him willingly?

That said, I want to see him get some legit shots because he's got the skill. To me he is interesting to watch, but I'm not just a casual fan.
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Old 07-27-2012, 07:08 PM
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Had Lucas Matthysse not been on side of some dubious decisions (Alexander & Judah), he would be the number 1 boxer at 140lb's & already had huge big money fights.
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Old 07-27-2012, 07:16 PM
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Had Lucas Matthysse not been on side of some dubious decisions (Alexander & Judah), he would be the number 1 boxer at 140lb's & already had huge big money fights.
We're talking about 135 and Richard Abril...

I think if Abril wins this WBA belt in the UK nobody is gonna wanna fight him either way, is what I think. He might just be making title defenses vs bums...

Unless a promoter has a prospect who they think has a very good chance vs Abril, like Broner or the loser from Molina-Demarco later on.
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both abril and vasquez suffer from the same issues. i think both of them are among the best boxers from 130 to 147. the issue is they dont have fans who are particularly interested in their style. vasquez is mexican but his style is not entertaining to many in the mexican fanbase. so even tho hes probably one of the best mexican fighters in this current era, he gets next to no attention. he gets **** fights while other, less skilled mexican fighters get heaped with praise. kinda sad. same thing with fighters like abril and molina. first of all abril is cuban, there isnt really a strong cuban fanbase for boxing in american. secondly, his style is just ehhh, so not many wanna see him fight. hes a spoiler. its very hard for a spoiler to win a fight in this era of super mega stars who bring action to a fight. the most sucessful spoiler has been bernard hopkins by far, but even he wasnt always a spoiler. he had big moments where he looked like a dominating fighter not just a dominating boxer. sad thats the way the boxing world works but it does for now and it will until fans start tp get more educated on what they are actually seeing.
Some perceptive remarks. It would appear that "spoilers" usually possess better-than-average skill. I suppose they have to, because they weren't blessed with dazzling speed, awesome athleticism or mind-blowing power. Overall boxing skill is eroding, in my opinion. It's becoming a lost art. Guys like Abril, Molina and Hopkins are throwbacks.
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We're talking about 135 and Richard Abril...

I think if Abril wins this WBA belt in the UK nobody is gonna wanna fight him either way, is what I think. He might just be making title defenses vs bums...

Unless a promoter has a prospect who they think has a very good chance vs Abril, like Broner or the loser from Molina-Demarco later on.
Abril is a pretty good boxer but i hard to believe that people at 135lb's would turn down a chance of the title.

More money, more exposure & chance to be 1 of the best at 135lb's, so regardless whoever the champion is, i doubt people will avoid Abril if he becomes champion.
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both abril and vasquez suffer from the same issues. i think both of them are among the best boxers from 130 to 147. the issue is they dont have fans who are particularly interested in their style. vasquez is mexican but his style is not entertaining to many in the mexican fanbase. so even tho hes probably one of the best mexican fighters in this current era, he gets next to no attention. he gets **** fights while other, less skilled mexican fighters get heaped with praise. kinda sad. same thing with fighters like abril and molina. first of all abril is cuban, there isnt really a strong cuban fanbase for boxing in american. secondly, his style is just ehhh, so not many wanna see him fight. hes a spoiler. its very hard for a spoiler to win a fight in this era of super mega stars who bring action to a fight. the most sucessful spoiler has been bernard hopkins by far, but even he wasnt always a spoiler. he had big moments where he looked like a dominating fighter not just a dominating boxer. sad thats the way the boxing world works but it does for now and it will until fans start tp get more educated on what they are actually seeing.


another good looking post, bud.

bernard wrote the book on spoiling in that he was so damn good at it, but, as you alluded to, he could and did go other routs. he knocked trinidad and de la hoya out, for instance. or when his shoulder was badly hurt against antwun echols, and he had to get on his toes and do his best larry holmes for a couple of rounds, he did.
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