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#41
Old 07-24-2012, 12:21 AM
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That Toney probably beats every MW not named Hagler/Roy Jones
Too bad that Toney wasn't a MW....
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Old 07-24-2012, 01:16 AM
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toney ko 8
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Old 07-24-2012, 01:47 AM
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Riding with Toney on this one.....

Good compliment to Ward though imo...... Considering the matchup
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Old 07-24-2012, 01:58 AM
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Toney......
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Old 07-24-2012, 02:01 AM
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Ward is really good, Prime Toney was damn amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl50iVr25R8

Enough said.
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Old 07-24-2012, 06:08 AM
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Toney all day long, It amazes me that people go in depth about how Ward could beat Toney when Ward faced some pretty mediocre opponents on the way to Froch, Kessler being the best.

Toney beating and knocking out Nunn> greater than anything Ward has done thus far, and while were here I think Dawson beats Ward.

Toney would be throwing the crisper cleaner shots one by one and once in a rythem throwing some pretty tasty combinations.

While Ward trys to roughhouse Toney on the inside Toney will still be doing the cleaner, more offensive work.
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Old 07-24-2012, 06:22 AM
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I'm a big Toney fan. But, I disagree with what you just said. How is Ward a bad outside fighter. He's shown he can box inside, outside and at medium range. I think Ward would give Toney different looks throughout the fight, keeping Toney guessing. I'd say they're about equal in speed, if anything Ward being faster. They're also two COMPLETELY different fighters on the inside.
I never said Ward is bad outside fight or did I? You can't really think that not-great is the same thing as bad. He's more than just good, but nowhere near great. His outside game is overrated and so is his handspeed, but I expect both those qualities to be exposed against Chad Dawson to some extent.
If Ward will ever meet great outside fighter(I'm not sure Dawson is one), his strength will be in his inside game + ability to hold his own, not have adventage on the outside. If he had to stay outside I don't think he would even be competitive against Michael Nunn and Roy Jones Jr, or to make more modern comparision, I don't believe he could beat Andre Direll staying on the outside either. He's not really fast with his hands and feets, his right hand is ordinary and so is his left hook. His biggest strength there are his defence and ability to jab well to the body and head, but so far it worked against poor defensively and very stationary fighters(easier to use angles against them as well). Let's see how he does against Chad, this fight will answer many questions.
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Old 07-24-2012, 06:22 AM
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I'd prefer to see Ward's fight against Dawson before making any outrageous statements regarding his level of ability.

No disrespect to him, but outside of Froch and Kessler, who are not the most versatile fighters out there, he hasn't faced much high level opposition yet. The likes of Miranda, Abraham and Bika will be mere footnotes in history and capturing grinding decisions over them won't be seen as a huge feat.

You can make the case that Toney didn't face many inside fighters as good as Ward, but Ward hasn't really faced anybody with much infighting ability. He has been able to rough-house opponents who aren't used to it. Not that Dawson is any different, but if he is able to beat another top level opponent without effort then anybody has to admit that he is class.
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Old 07-24-2012, 06:24 AM
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I'd prefer to see Ward's fight against Dawson before making any outrageous statements regarding his level of ability.

No disrespect to him, but outside of Froch and Kessler, who are not the most versatile fighters out there, he hasn't faced much high level opposition yet. The likes of Miranda, Abraham and Bika will be mere footnotes in history and capturing grinding decisions over them won't be seen as a huge feat.

You can make the case that Toney didn't face many inside fighters as good as Ward, but Ward hasn't really faced anybody with much infighting ability. He has been able to rough-house opponents who aren't used to it. Not that Dawson is any different, but if he is able to beat another top level opponent without effort then anybody has to admit that he is class.
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Old 07-24-2012, 06:27 AM
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i think toney would win, he's got those combo's in the inside and that counter right that would land without a shadow of a doubt and im still iffy about wards chin, but i think toney wins no matter where it is(inside/outside)
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