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Old 07-23-2012, 03:29 AM
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The 3rd fight is the only fight which had a big favorite(Pacquiao) and people think when ever the big favorite is in a close fight and wins its a robbery. The 1st fight was the only one that wasn't close(Marquez won at very least 8 of the last 11 rounds).

Also I have never been a Chavez fan look at my sig to see the guys I am a fan of. Chavez was robbed against Whitaker he should of won by DQ. Its actually pathetic that Whitaker couldn't out right win over Chavez who was fighting out of his weight class.
Show your scorecard for the Whitaker-Chavez fight or quit talking about him in this section. Everyone here is tired of listening to this rubbish. I've never liked Whitaker just like I don't like Mayweather, but only a fool puts on blinders not to recognize greatness and the truth. This isn't NSB, we back up what we post or we don't post it. Now you can put up or you can take your ridiculous talk to NSB. Its your choice bro.

By the way, Whitaker had 5 fights above the 135 division, Chavez had 25 when they met. Food for thought.

Remember, no scorecard no posts about Whitaker.

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Old 07-24-2012, 11:05 AM
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After reading this thread yesterday, I decided to watch Chavez-Whitaker again. I scored each round two ways: One scorecard was who I thought won the rounds, and on the other one I gave every close round to Chavez.

I scored it 9-2-1 for Pernell.

Giving every close round to Chavez, I scored it 8-4 for Whitaker.

That fight is probably one of the biggest examples of the need to differentiate between "aggression" and "effective aggression".
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Old 07-24-2012, 12:29 PM
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After reading this thread yesterday, I decided to watch Chavez-Whitaker again. I scored each round two ways: One scorecard was who I thought won the rounds, and on the other one I gave every close round to Chavez.

I scored it 9-2-1 for Pernell.

Giving every close round to Chavez, I scored it 8-4 for Whitaker.

That fight is probably one of the biggest examples of the need to differentiate between "aggression" and "effective aggression".
Yeah I don't remember my exact round by round but I had it 8-4 I believe when giving all of the toss up rounds to Chavez.
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Old 07-24-2012, 12:55 PM
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People don't think Marquez beat Norwood cleanly(even discounting about three points he was robbed of)?

Really?
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Old 07-24-2012, 01:29 PM
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James Toney - 4 Losses (McCallum 2, Jones Jr, Samuel Peter 2 and Lebedev)

Felt he beat Griffin X2, Thadzi, and Sam Peter in the first fight

Pernell Whitaker - 2 losses (last 2 fights of his career)

Felt he beat De La Hoya, Ramirez and Chavez

Sugar Ray Leonard - Need to revisit but thought he lost Hearns 2

Julio Cesar Chavez - Need to revisit but thought he lost to Whitaker

Bernard Hopkins - 4 losses (1st fight of his career (benefit of the doubt), Jones, Calzaghe, Dawson)

Oscar De La Hoya - 7 Losses (Whitaker, Quartey, Mosley 1, Mayweather, Sturm, Hopkins, Pacquiao)

Juan Manuel Marquez - Need to watch more but felt he won 2/3 of the Pacquiao fights

Felix Trinidad - 4 loses (Jones, De La Hoya, Hopkins, Wright)

Manny Pacquiao - 5 losses (2 early ones, Morales, Marquez X 2)

Shane Mosley - 8 losses (Forrest X 2, Wright X 2, De La Hoya, Mayweather, Pacquiao, Canelo)
You do seem pretty knowledgeable. However, from my recollection I thought Hopkins defeated Wright pretty convincingly. Also, I'm sure most people agree that Hearns defeated Leonard the 2nd time. What a great fight it was!
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Old 07-24-2012, 04:51 PM
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You do seem pretty knowledgeable. However, from my recollection I thought Hopkins defeated Wright pretty convincingly. Also, I'm sure most people agree that Hearns defeated Leonard the 2nd time. What a great fight it was!
lol...Nah I'd consider my boxing knowledge "average to above average" especially compared to most of the people in this section.

But I must confess that I haven't revisited Hopkins vs. Wright in a long time.
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Show your reasoning for Whitaker not being DQ'd or quit talking about him in this section.

This isn't NSB, we back up what we post or we don't post it. Now you can put up or you can take your ridiculous talk to NSB. Its your choice bro.
DQ'd for WHAT? I've never heard anybody (including Team Chavez) make that ridiculous claim.
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Old 07-24-2012, 08:19 PM
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DQ'd for WHAT? I've never heard anybody (including Team Chavez) make that ridiculous claim.
Don't bother Scott. His trolling about Whitaker in this section is done so even if he answers its getting deleted.
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Old 07-24-2012, 08:27 PM
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People don't think Marquez beat Norwood cleanly(even discounting about three points he was robbed of)?

Really?

What was your score for that fight? I don't need a round by round.
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