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Old 07-18-2012, 06:46 PM
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Default Andy Lee was the worst thing that could happen to Chavez Jr.

Andy lee has a:

- Big enough name to command attention and credibility.

- Strong enough chin that he was able to allow Chavez Jr to show off his full arsenal over several rounds.

- Big heart/pride that would cause him to fight bravely until the very end.(allowing for an eventful stoppage instead of the lesser fighter defensively fighting scared)

- Good enough punch that would gain Chavez Jr credit to his chin.(despite not consistently landing clean)

- Mediocre endurance and mobility allowing Chavez Jr. to look comparatively and relatively fast.

The perfect matchup for the superior fighter to look better than he actually is.
Chavez Jr. has improved leaps and bounds over the fighter boxing circles scoffed at only a year or two ago. However nothing he or Martinez has done in recent fights changes the fact that Martinez is a P4P fighter and Chavez Jr is just a good champion.

Stopping Lee is what created the illusion that Chavez Jr is capable of beating, for some even knocking out Sergio Martinez. The reality is Martinez is going to school and seriously hurt Chavez Jr. And no, constantly displaying Chavez Sr. at press conferences will do nothing to help his son in the ring. Much has been done to prop up Chavez Jr.'s aura and image. Unfortunately for him, it won't be enough because he is massively outclassed by Martinez. Expect to see Martinez timing Chavez perfectly after a round or two and for Chavez to look confused and plodding. It's two of the best fighters in the division, so credit to them for cutting the bull**** and making the fight happen. Good luck to both men!
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Old 07-18-2012, 06:48 PM
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Not really, I've already known that Chavez Jr could outbox Martinez before the Lee fight.

Just watch.
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Old 07-18-2012, 06:49 PM
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It is also the fight that cemented the idea that Chavez is a cheater with the refusing of the drug test and weighing gloves.
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Old 07-18-2012, 06:50 PM
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Andy Lee made Chavez Jr. people believe in their own hype. People forget that he fought fights that could've gone either way with 2 not even top 10 middleweights in Rubio and Zbik and somehow after beating another guy that's not top 10 but was easier style for him he's suddenly second best middleweight in the world . Good thing is Sergio is going to wake people up.
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Old 07-18-2012, 06:51 PM
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Not really, I've already known that Chavez Jr could outbox Martinez before the Lee fight.

Just watch.



You're not serious are you? Surely...
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Old 07-18-2012, 06:52 PM
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You're not serious are you? Surely...
Would you like to place a bet? Every single one of your points against every single one of my points that Chavez Jr will beat Martinez.

He will break him down systematically. He will break him down mentally, and he will stop Martinez.
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Old 07-18-2012, 06:53 PM
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Not really, I've already known that Chavez Jr could outbox Martinez before the Lee fight.

Just watch.
I wouldn't define walking forward and swinging for the fences outboxing... but each his own
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Old 07-18-2012, 06:54 PM
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Would you like to place a bet? Every single one of your points against every single one of my points that Chavez Jr will beat Martinez.

He will break him down systematically. He will break him down mentally, and he will stop Martinez.
I can take it, I have like 1.5 bilion in bets already, but I can bet the rest of what I have or will have at the time of the fight.
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Old 07-18-2012, 06:57 PM
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Would you like to place a bet? Every single one of your points against every single one of my points that Chavez Jr will beat Martinez.

He will break him down systematically. He will break him down mentally, and he will stop Martinez.


I'm not feeling 30/1 odds or whatever but I will offer you your 10bil to my 20bil that Sergio knocks his ass out.
KO/TKO, Chavez Jr won't hear the final bell.
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Old 07-18-2012, 06:58 PM
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I'm not feeling 30/1 odds or whatever but I will offer you your 10bil to my 20bil that Sergio knocks his ass out.
KO/TKO, Chavez Jr won't hear the final bell.
C'mon man, I didn't even bother to look at your points when I made the bet, I thought you had less than me. Shows that I don't care about odds, put em all on the line or nothing... Surely Martinez will win, right?
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