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Old 07-16-2012, 02:01 AM
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Post Comments Thread For: “Fighting Words” – David Haye: Return of The Spoiler

by David P. Greisman - Admit it: You missed David Haye.

Missing him was an emotion impossible to imagine a year ago, when he’d failed to fulfill the expectations he’d set for his fight with Wladimir Klitschko, when he’d failed to back up the brash trash talk, failed to take Klitschko out, failed even to go down fighting, instead settling for a dull distance decision loss.

He then pointed to his right toe, which he said had been broken weeks before. We then pointed to the door, and we were glad when he obliged. He announced his retirement three months after losing to Klitschko, and we bid him good riddance. Ours is a sport with a tradition of men who talk big, but it is a sport with no room for men who talk big but do little to back it up.

It seemed impossible that we’d miss him, then, and yet we did — even though he was barely gone.

Haye officially announced his return in May, just seven months after he’d announced his retirement. He came back this past Saturday against Dereck Chisora, barely a year between that night and his fight with Klitschko.

There’s a saying that you don’t know what you’ve got until it’s gone. Not with David Haye. We didn’t know what we’d been missing until he was back.

Suddenly the heavyweight division is interesting again. Suddenly there’s someone else to talk about.

The dominance of Wladimir and Vitali Klitschko has gone on for so long, and has been so one-sided, that the top of the heavyweight division has gotten boring. It’s not at all surprising that the two best fights in boxing’s marquee division this year were good because of three people not named Klitschko. [Click Here To Read More]
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Old 07-16-2012, 08:16 AM
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After watching the Haye v Chisora fight, I will never again be bothered watching a Klitsckho fight unless either of those two are in it. It dawned on me, that they really are incredibly boring and provide no entertainment whatsoever. I cannot understand, for the life of me, why Boente would not want to stage a fight between Haye and Vitali. It's clearly THE fight in the division right now, and I really hope it happens. I'm backing Haye if Vitali looks as he did against Chisora.
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Old 07-16-2012, 10:13 AM
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I admit it : I missed David Haye

but in my case, I wasn't happy to see him retire in the first place, because I knew he could beat virtually everyone in the division not named Wlad K., because yes, I believe Haye would beat Vitali, I have believed that since 2009, and even more now that Vitali is 3 years older

I didn't think he did as bad as most say in his losing effort against Wlad

when he tried to attack, he just couldn't get most of his shots in

he could have tried harder, but he did some nice things in there nevertheless, like taking away Wlad's jab like he said he would
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Old 07-16-2012, 10:43 AM
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I kinda want to see Morales vs Castillo now.
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Old 07-16-2012, 10:31 PM
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by David P. Greisman - Admit it: You missed David Haye .... Suddenly the heavyweight division is interesting again. Suddenly there’s someone else to talk about.[Click Here To Read More]
Don't see why. It was an entertaining fight but that was predictable. Haye needs someone roughly his own height or shorter, who comes forward, doesn't jab much and has limited skills and he'll always look very entertaining. Chisora's style was simply made for Haye to look good against. And Haye's power has never been questioned. But he doesn't have what it takes to land his power shots on a really tall fighter with a world class jab and he never will have.

He didn't display anything new in the Chisora fight so I don't understand why you give him the slightest chance against either Klitschko based on this fight. In fact Haye was gassing by the end of the fight and had Chisora had a better jab and defence, Haye would have been in serious trouble. Chisora stupidly hardly used his jab at all - if he had done, it might have been a very different fight.

The Wlad fight wasn't an abberation - it was completely predictable from the way he fought against Valuev, Ruiz and Harrison, and a rematch would be much the same as the first fight. A fight against Vitali would be more entertaining than that because Vitali engages more, but it would be just as one-sided.

His fundamental flaw against very tall fighters is that his whole style is and has always been based on fighting off the back foot, and that simply doesn't work against a much taller opponent with a world class jab. He barely beat Valuev, FFS, who has one of the slowest jabs in history. He did nothing against Audley for 2½ rounds despite the fact that Audley didn't throw a single punch. And even Ruiz, who isn't tall, was able to land his jab almost at will. Against Wlad, Haye fought off the back foot as he always does, and hoped to be able to dart in occasionally and knock Wlad out with quick combinations, but he wasn't able to land them, and he never will be able to.

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