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Old 07-13-2012, 06:11 PM
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and LOL at people who talk as if Donaire is a Big Name and a Big Draw hahaha

did you not see the empty seats for that Mathabula fight? Donaire is not a fukin draw himself an Casual Fans don't give a fuk about him because Casuals really don't give a fuk about Division under MAYBE 135

so again to try and turn this into a Popularity Contest as a Reason whey he shouldn't fight Rigondeaux, it just makes Donaire Fans look so bad and Clueless (which many of them are anyway)

Casuals don't give a FUK about Donaire Either! Sadly, Only the Hardcore Fans care about the Lower Division
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Old 07-13-2012, 06:15 PM
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This is exactly what Floyd Mayweather does. No?

I'm not saying its ok to do, and yes it would be his 2nd biggest fight of his career. Now if Rigo was on the level as Donaire and Donaire was ducking him, I would call him out on it. Nobody aside from us diehard fans are calling for this fight. It's not beneficial from a business standpoint for the networks, the promoter, nor Donaire. Its not as if Donaire is being offered a career high payday for this bout and turned it down as other fighters have in the past.
Yes and that's the reason I'm not his fan anymore.
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Old 07-13-2012, 06:32 PM
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Sure they don't but he gets exposition that last 3 opponents never had. I'm not saying they'd rather show Rigo than Arce and Mares, but at this point, I'm confident that they would have more interest in Rigondeaux - Donaire fight than they had in Donaire - Narvaez, Donaire - Vazquez and Donaire - Mathebula fights when they were made. There's way more public damand for it.
When Donaire fought Narvaez, he was still fighting at 118 so Rigo was not an option. And it was his first fight after a long layoff. While Narvaez was from a division below, he was still a somewhat credible opponent. He has been considered the #1 guy at Jr. Bantamweight for a while now. While obviously NOW they would prefer a Rigo over a Narvaez, at the time Narvaez had never fought that way he did. When Nonito fought Vasquez, it was his first fight at the division and it was up against a former champion that had a decent name. At that time, Rigo was just some random dude with 8 fights nobody has ever heard off. No title at the time. When they chose Mathebula over Rigo, Rigo was coming off two terrible unwatchable and forgettable fights. And whatever little more recognition Rigo had over Mathebula, it was extremely minimal. For all intent and purposes, they were equivalent. Just two random dudes with belts. Atleast Mathebula had his fight with Caballero (when he was a unified 122 champ) where many people thought he was robbed.

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Old 07-13-2012, 06:36 PM
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You've done a hell of a PR campaign for Nonito in the last few weeks, Light Speed.

Most respectable posters on here, whether being involved personally or not, are pretty familiar with the "business of boxing" and how it works. We don't need you to keep re-iterating what we've known for years.

A few things that you should consider;

Even from a "marketing" perspective, Donaire's last 3 fights haven't been shrewd choices. To the "casual" boxing observer, which this article is implying that Donaire's platform is currently catering to, is completely unfamiliar with these fighters. ALL, from a general consensus, have been less talented, and u can argue, with the exception of Vasquez of course, even less market value than Rigondeaux.

The reason why the Rigo-Donaire fight hasn't been made isn't because Rigo has refused "Mathebula money". I know this for a fact.

I'm not hating on Nonito because frankly, he's not the first and won't be the last to take this route. Champions in boxing get protected, marketable prospects in boxing get protected. Nonito certainly has the talent and the appeal to fit in that category. This isn't news.

But please, don't make this about anything more than that. The fact the Rigo fight hasn't been made is because Rigo is a low reward- high risk fight. Out of all of the guys in the division Nonito is campaigning at, Rigo has the best, and very REAL chance of defeating Nonito. Period. If he was low reward, low risk (like the last 3 guys Nonito has fought), then Nonito most certainly would've been WBA Superbantamweight champion of the world by now.
I just posted an update from Donaire's website. No need for a PR campaign, those who understand the business of boxing will just shrug and move on, but you will always have these fans who act like spoiled brats. When they don't get the fight they want, when they want it, they scream "duck". No matter how much the fighter accomplished up to that point, how many good fighters he beat, if he doesn't fight that guy right now he's a duck. Even if that guy has yet to face an elite fighter. No point arguing with these dudes.
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Old 07-13-2012, 06:51 PM
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When Donaire fought Narvaez, he was still fighting at 118 so Rigo was not an option. And it was his first fight after a long layoff. While Narvaez was from a division below, he was still a somewhat credible opponent. He has been considered the #1 guy at Jr. Bantamweight for a while now. While obviously NOW they would prefer a Rigo over a Narvaez, at the time Narvaez had never fought that way he did. When Nonito fought Vasquez, it was his first fight at the division and it was up against a former champion that had a decent name. At that time, Rigo was just some random dude with 8 fights nobody has ever heard off. No title at the time. When they chose Mathebula over Rigo, Rigo was coming off two terrible unwatchable and forgettable fights. And whatever little more recognition Rigo had over Mathebula, it was extremely minimal. For all intent and purposes, they were equivalent. Just two random dudes with belts. Atleast Mathebula had his fight with Caballero (when he was a unified 122 champ) where many people thought he was robbed.
I have a feeling you lost a point of why are you even writing to me. Just some random facts that I never argued with. I said that Rigondeaux fight is better for HBO now than those last 3 fights were at the time they were made. If you want to discuss with me, discuss about that, or maybe I should answer about Rigos amateur career or something?

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I just posted an update from Donaire's website. No need for a PR campaign, those who understand the business of boxing will just shrug and move on, but you will always have these fans who act like spoiled brats. When they don't get the fight they want, when they want it, they scream "duck". No matter how much the fighter accomplished up to that point, how many good fighters he beat, if he doesn't fight that guy right now he's a duck. Even if that guy has yet to face an elite fighter. No point arguing with these dudes.
He does not have to fight Rigondeaux immediately, he just should face him before he moves up. And you believe he will do it with his "maybe Rigondeaux, 3 belts is undisputed" approach?
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Old 07-13-2012, 06:57 PM
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all i hear is excuse after excuse from donaire on why he seems to always fight weak, no hope opponents. lol. the business of boxing doesnt explain the narvaez fight, it doesnt explain the mathebula fight. so please save that for the idiots who dont know any better.
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Old 07-13-2012, 06:59 PM
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so basically Donaire just said "its up to my promoter Bob Arum" in a non broken English
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Old 07-13-2012, 07:02 PM
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Rigondeaux, despite having a world title, has not proven himself to be a draw.
That's right. The Golden Boy Jeffrey Mathebula is known worldwide, that's why he got the fight.
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Who the hell had heard of Mathebula but not of Rigondeaux? They both have titles, and Rigondeaux has actually had more HBO exposure. Donaire not making sense, just making excuses.
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and LOL at people who talk as if Donaire is a Big Name and a Big Draw hahaha

did you not see the empty seats for that Mathabula fight? Donaire is not a fukin draw himself an Casual Fans don't give a fuk about him because Casuals really don't give a fuk about Division under MAYBE 135

so again to try and turn this into a Popularity Contest as a Reason whey he shouldn't fight Rigondeaux, it just makes Donaire Fans look so bad and Clueless (which many of them are anyway)

Casuals don't give a FUK about Donaire Either! Sadly, Only the Hardcore Fans care about the Lower Division
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LOL at people trying to play manager for their favorite fighter. In this division, the best fighting the best gets you fans.

There are no "casual" fans watching boxing unless Mayweather or Pacquiao are fighting.

Where is a casual fan going to hear about Donaire from?
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