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Old 07-11-2012, 05:16 PM #21
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Being one of the best welterweights ever does, though?
It might help if he was one of the best Welterweights ever.

Which he of course, is not.
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Old 07-11-2012, 05:24 PM #22
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Felix Trinidad is an ATG even though he tried to cheat vs Hopkins.


To me, AA boxers get way too much credit sometimes for the same **** boxers from other nationalities/races do.
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Felix Trinidad is an ATG even though he tried to cheat vs Hopkins.


To me, AA boxers get way too much credit sometimes for the same **** boxers from other nationalities/races do.
and they get a pass for juicing too wtf pac and chavez jr get killed on here for just being suspected of juicing but toney,mosely,jones, etc all catch no heat WTF
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Old 07-11-2012, 05:28 PM #24
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Felix Trinidad is an ATG even though he tried to cheat vs Hopkins.


To me, AA boxers get way too much credit sometimes for the same **** boxers from other nationalities/races do.
could you be more specific?
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and they get a pass for juicing too wtf pac and chavez jr get killed on here for just being suspected of juicing but toney,mosely,jones, etc all catch no heat WTF
That's very true and yet those same fans are calling someone Pacroid or Margacheato.



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could you be more specific?

Look at some of these guys are not calling Tito an ATG. Tito was a ****ing monster. Him and Oscar have very good/great accomplishments and I've seen the same types of accomplishments on black boxers with the ATG label. Yet these two boxers aren't considered great to some of those people.

Just like the Joe Calzaghe/Hopkins title defenses in their weights as well. One gets much more credit than deserved than the other one.
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Look at some of these guys are not calling Tito an ATG. Tito was a ****ing monster. Him and Oscar have very good/great accomplishments and I've seen the same types of accomplishments on black boxers with the ATG label. Yet these two boxers aren't considered great to some of those people.

Just like the Joe Calzaghe/Hopkins title defenses in their weights as well. One gets much more credit than deserved than the other one.
Give some examples.
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Old 07-11-2012, 05:34 PM #27
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thats one thing you cant dis oscar for is he was damn good at what he did cant say the same for his promoting tho
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It might help if he was one of the best Welterweights ever.

Which he of course, is not.
If you can name 20 better welterweights, my dear boy, I shall recant.
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Give some examples.
Roy JOnes and other AAs being called one of the greatest ever and yet Oscar can't even be called one because he didn't move as pretty as Roy. Oscar's accomplishments/resume ****s all over Roy's.


What the Klits are going through right now.
I just said Hopkins/Calzaghe as well.

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Duran lost to Leonard, Halger, Hearns and Benitez. So no Oscar does not have the best names on his L collection.
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