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Old 06-24-2012, 11:46 AM
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Canelo now calling out Sergio Martinez? LOL. sure.
Well, in my opinion Canelo was looking forward to a fight with Victor Ortiz. You know why? Cause Canelo fights only 2 sorts of fighters: totally shot ones, and much smaller ones. Ortiz fits in the 2nd category.
Ortiz is basically a 140 pound fighter (who just got beaten by another natural 140 pound fighter in a welterweight fight), and Canelo was thinking "this boy is way too small for me. Looking forward to beating up Ortiz".
Let's look at Canelo's opponents in his world title fights:
He won the 154 pound title against a natural 147 pounder- Matthew Hatton who has heart, but is an average fighter at best. Recently Kell Brook outclassed Matthew Hatton. So that's how the "great" Canelo became world champion. Then Canelo fought Ryan Rhodes who is a little above average fighter at the end of his career.
Next opponent of "the legend" Canelo was Alfonso Gomez, another much smaller fighter who cant punch. Gomez is all heart but no power and no big skills. Cotto outclassed Gomez many many years earlier.
Now Canelo fought 2 fighters who were on the elite level, but: they were totally done and at the end of their careers. Which means: they were NOT elite anymore when Canelo fought them: Kermit Cintron and Shane Mosley.
That being said: Canelo is a cherrypicking fraud. A piece of garbage. And I dont think he is a bum cause he is not. But I cant stand fighters who use their promotions to fight shot fighters and bums their whole career. Lets be honest, this dude is making a career of beating bums and totally shot fighters. And THAT makes Canelo a disgrace to boxing.
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Canelo now calling out Sergio Martinez? LOL. sure.
Well, in my opinion Canelo was looking forward to a fight with Victor Ortiz. You know why? Cause Canelo fights only 2 sorts of fighters: totally shot ones, and much smaller ones. Ortiz fits in the 2nd category.
Ortiz is basically a 140 pound fighter (who just got beaten by another natural 140 pound fighter in a welterweight fight), and Canelo was thinking "this boy is way too small for me. Looking forward to beating up Ortiz".
Let's look at Canelo's opponents in his world title fights:
He won the 154 pound title against a natural 147 pounder- Matthew Hatton who has heart, but is an average fighter at best. Recently Kell Brook outclassed Matthew Hatton. So that's how the "great" Canelo became world champion. Then Canelo fought Ryan Rhodes who is a little above average fighter at the end of his career.
Next opponent of "the legend" Canelo was Alfonso Gomez, another much smaller fighter who cant punch. Gomez is all heart but no power and no big skills. Cotto outclassed Gomez many many years earlier.
Now Canelo fought 2 fighters who were on the elite level, but: they were totally done and at the end of their careers. Which means: they were NOT elite anymore when Canelo fought them: Kermit Cintron and Shane Mosley.
That being said: Canelo is a cherrypicking fraud. A piece of garbage. And I dont think he is a bum cause he is not. But I cant stand fighters who use their promotions to fight shot fighters and bums their whole career. Lets be honest, this dude is making a career of beating bums and totally shot fighters. And THAT makes Canelo a disgrace to boxing.
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His belt is a joke but for a guy his age, he's right where he should be if not ahead of the development curve. He was set for Williams or Ortiz next. Those are solids. Quit acting like belts inherently mean more than economic markers. The WBC is a business first. merit comes like...well, not first.

Canelo is a rising star in a game that needs all it can get. Who cares about his stupid belt.
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so much disgrace in boxing right now and this is where you're focusing your energy?
it had to be said. When I saw Canelo's face in the crowd of the Ortiz fight, it just reminded me of the fact that I hate Canelo. He was looking forward to extend his joke a*s title reign by beating another MUCH SMALLER fighter in Victor Ortiz
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it had to be said. When I saw Canelo's face in the crowd of the Ortiz fight, it just reminded me of the fact that I hate Canelo. He was looking forward to extend his joke a*s title reign by beating another MUCH SMALLER fighter in Victor Ortiz
hate is a strong word, he is stimulating a lot of energy expenditure on your part... makes me wonder why.

idk, i dont mind watching the kid box, he's no mega star but i'll watch him win and lose just like most fighters

i like boxing, not boxers
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This is why when people say that he'll "crush" Kirkland, I ask them "who has he beaten that will give you this indication"?

Then I hear two things:

1. Crickets

2. James lost to Ishida

True, James lost to Ishida, but he also beat 3 guys that punch much harder than Ishida (Vera, Julio, and Angulo).

Fact is, this kid has done nothing in his career that says he'll beat Kirkland. Why, because he gave Mosley his 3rd beating in 4 fights?

The kid has potential, but until he beats someone of substance, I can't pick him over Kirkland, Lara or Dzinziruk.
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hate is a strong word, he is stimulating a lot of energy expenditure on your part... makes me wonder why.

idk, i dont mind watching the kid box, he's no mega star but i'll watch him win and lose just like most fighters

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I hate him cause he shouldnt have a title. Guys like Erislandy Lara, Carlos Molina or James Kirkland have beaten a lot of very tough, very good guys and they dont have a title.
they are a thousand times more deserving to have a title than Canelo
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I hate him cause he shouldnt have a title. Guys like Erislandy Lara, Carlos Molina or James Kirkland have beaten a lot of very tough, very good guys and they dont have a title.
they are a thousand times more deserving to have a title than Canelo
i wont argue with that

the promotional favoritism is definitely a downer in boxing IMO

but he's marketable, not sure how much the other guys are in comparison, but i can see where you're coming from
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That's true, it's a joke. I really like Golden Boy as they're so much better for boxing fans in comparision to Top Rank, but in this one, they are shameless with great help of WBC what have to be said. First they're giving him bum from welterweight to fight for vacant 154 pound title in catchweight, then they take on Rhodes what was let's say decent first defence, after it there came club level welterweight in Gomez and just outclassed by Molina Cintron. I mean, come on... If kid wasn't read to fight at championship level then leave that f*cking belt alone for some guys who're willing to compete.
Also the way they're ducking Lara now is one of most obvious ducks in recent years along Sturm ducking Golovkin. I have a feeling that 10 more possible opponents could get injured and they won't put Canelo in there with Lara anyway.
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