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Old 06-09-2012, 07:22 PM
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In comparison to other posters here, sometimes my opinions of fighters go against the grain and if none of yours do, you're either lying to yourself or a sheep. Who do you rate higher or lower than others? Here are some of mine (I'm mostly going off of how good I thought they were, not resume):

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*George Foreman: It's the technical flaws and questionable stamina that make me think he'd lose to many.

*post exile Ali: He relied a lot on athleticism earlier in his career and after returning lost a lot of his legs and wasn't that hard to hit. His power wasn't great either. I think guys like Lewis and Holmes would outbox him without too much trouble.

*Whitaker: I respect Whitaker a lot, so maybe I shouldn't list him. I just think this board gives him god-like status. Leonard is a similar case.

*Chavez and Monzon: Same reason. They were slow.

*Barrera: Lacked physical gifts which is a big part of why Pac and Junior Jones had their way with him.

*Bowe: Very inconsistent. Easy to hit.

Higher
*Hamed: He gets written off a lot here because of the Barrera fight (which was close) and a somewhat weak resume. I think he'd beat Barrera on most nights of his career.

*Vitali Klitschko: He doesn't lose rounds and has a great chin. The awkwardness works for him too.

*Roy Jones: Few could find his chin when he was in his prime.

*De La Hoya: Especially at the lower weights.

*Holmes: I think he was better than anyone from the 70s and possibly better than prime Ali. Solid all around.

*Tarver: I feel like he had a habit of fighting to the level of his opponent, but could give almost any light heavy problems.

*Ward/Gamboa/Rigo: I believe the hype
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Old 06-09-2012, 07:27 PM
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I don't really think "They were slow" is a good justification for why a fighter is overrated.

But to answer your question I think Harold Johnson is a lot greater than the majority of people think. His resume is exceptional as are his skills and ability.
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Old 06-09-2012, 07:31 PM
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There is nothing underrated about Naseem Hamed.

I see people waxing poetic about his KO of the rookie Augie Sanchez.....ignoring the fact that a journeyman had previously knocked poor Augie colder than Hamed did, and with just one punch. Augie also busted up Naseem and put him on his ass.

Hamed is horribly overrated by Europeans especially.
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Old 06-09-2012, 07:38 PM
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Hamed also laid out Vuyani Bungu with no problem, a guy who hadn't lost in years and put a lot of title defenses under his belt during that time.

Anyway, you aren't supposed to agree with me. That's the point of the thread. You're supposed to list out the people who others won't agree with and state why.
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Old 06-09-2012, 07:48 PM
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Lower:
I think Barrera is overrated by many, by those who're rating him above Morales and Marquez.
Ricardo Lopez, I saw him ranked as high as nr. 2 among all time best mexican fighters, to me that's just ridiculous.
I also believe Bowe is overrated, physically he was special talent, but overall I don't think he was all that great.
Toshiaki Nishioka - He was never convincing me, he's good champion, but far from great in my opinion.
Higer
Heavyweight version of David Haye. I actually think he was(or is?) better heavyweight than cruiserweight.
Jermain Taylor. He couldn't handle guys that would make it physical with him, but against technical fightes he was very hard to beat.
Greg Richardson - Rather little known and underappriciated, but he had some amazing skills and 2 great wins on his resume, against Raul Perez and Sung-Kil Moon(It may be loss officially, but everyone who saw it knows who won that fight).
Not long ago I would also say Cotto, but he really impressed mi in his last fight.
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Old 06-09-2012, 09:15 PM
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Pernell Whitaker - resume is built off fantasy wins

Eddie Mustafa Muhammad and Matthew Saad Muhammad - very exciting and very 1 dimensional fighters

Marvin Hagler - gets credit for having some kind of amazing resume but I don't see it. Also a very small middleweight who fought mostly other small middleweights

High
Pretty much any 154-168 in the late 80s/early 90s. The most loaded and competitive divisions ever

Barrera - as skilled a fighter as boxing has ever seen and his resume speaks for its self. Is clearly a step above Morales and Marquez.

Pongsaklek Wonjongkam - incredible deep resume full of solid wins against legit opponents who no one in the US has ever heard of.

Rafeal Marquez - best Bantamweight of the last 40 years and I rank him higher than his brother
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Old 06-09-2012, 09:33 PM
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Now that I think about it Tim Austin was pretty good. Possibly better than Rafael Marquez at his peak even though he lost to him in an excellent fight.
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Old 06-09-2012, 09:45 PM
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Pernell Whitaker - resume is built off fantasy wins

Eddie Mustafa Muhammad and Matthew Saad Muhammad - very exciting and very 1 dimensional fighters

Marvin Hagler - gets credit for having some kind of amazing resume but I don't see it. Also a very small middleweight who fought mostly other small middleweights

High
Pretty much any 154-168 in the late 80s/early 90s. The most loaded and competitive divisions ever

Barrera - as skilled a fighter as boxing has ever seen and his resume speaks for its self. Is clearly a step above Morales and Marquez.

Pongsaklek Wonjongkam - incredible deep resume full of solid wins against legit opponents who no one in the US has ever heard of.

Rafeal Marquez - best Bantamweight of the last 40 years and I rank him higher than his brother

What exactly were Whitaker's "fantasy wins"?

Eddie Mustapha Muhammad was an excellent boxer puncher. How was he one dimensional?

Marquez definitely wasn't better than Carlos Zarate, and maybe not better than Jeff Chandler, among others. You never saw Zarate get KO'd by someone like Genaro Garcia.
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Old 06-09-2012, 09:49 PM
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SCTrojan is to be ignored. He has a lot of information in his head, but cannot compute it.
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Old 06-09-2012, 10:02 PM
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Eddie Mustafa Muhammad was viewed as a very talented boxer who was criticized throughout his career for being a fighter who never fought hard enough to reach his potential. Talented and multi-faceted fighter.....not enough fire.

That's a fact known by those who followed boxing at the time. yet, here we have this young goober SCtrojan saying he was "exciting but one-dimensional". LMFAO.....EMM was the OPPOSITE of both of this young dummy's description! He wondered why his age and when he started following the game mattered. Here's reason #1.

SC....sit down and shut up. You're not qualified!
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