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Old 06-08-2012, 06:00 PM
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So I just got done watching the supposedly "highly controversial" match between Muhammad Rachman and P*rnsawan Porpramook and I feel really suprised because from everything I had read, this was supposed to have been one of the most controversial fights of last year with f*ghtnews calling it a robbery and Rachman filing a protest with the WBA, and I found it to be anything but controversial. I had the Thai winning 117-112 which means I only gave Rachman 3 rounds with 1 even and the rest to "The Tank". Rachman landed the harder punches but he was just so inactive compared to his opponent that I found it very hard to give him rounds. Calling this fight a robbery is like saying Oscar De La Hoya was robbed against Floyd Mayweather. There's just no logical argument that can be made because the other guy landed so many more punches. I thought the judges were generous to Rachman. He lost clearly. It really should have been a unanimous decision. I don't see how you could score it a draw.

It just goes to show you that appearences can be deceiving and you really need to see things for yourself rather than taking other peoples view as being the truth. There's been a lot of other fights like that one that I heard were controversial that weren't in my eyes. For example with Sven Ottke you see a lot of people claiming that this guy got several decisions that he didn't deserve but i've seen several of them (Charles Brewer 1, Glen Johnson, Rudy Markussen, Byron Mitchell, Mads Larsen among others) and I thought he deserved to win all of those fights although some were close. From what I have seen there was only one fight in his career that you can truly call a robbery which was his victory over Robin Reid. The idea that his career is full of robberies is a myth.

Aside from that I can't think of that many so I would be interested to know some more that you guys know from personal experience. I guess there is a couple with Felix Sturm. A lot of people called his win over Macklin a robbery and while I can see an argument for having Macklin narrowly winning, to say that he won clearly and/or that he dominated the fight is just wrong and out of touch with reality in my eyes. The Martin Murray fight really should have been a clear win for Sturm and wasn't close at all in my opinion yet you see people claiming it was controversial and that he should have won too. I think a lot of times people just resent success and so when a guy has been champion for a long time (like Sturm) and then has a close fight they exaggerate things in a desperate attempt to bring them down to their favourite fighter's levels. We saw the same thing with Mayweather-Cotto. It's gotten to such a point with Floyd, where he's so dominant that all it takes is for a guy to back him up against the ropes a few times and put some damage on him for people to claim that it should have been a draw or that he should have lost when in reality he dominated the fight.

Which ones stick out in your mind? Feedback on this is very much appreciated.

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Old 06-08-2012, 06:58 PM
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De La Hoya vs Mayweather.

Hagler vs Leonard.

Pacquiao vs Marquez 1 and 2.

Vitali vs Lewis.
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Old 06-09-2012, 12:49 AM
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No, De La Hoya wasn't robbed against Mayweather. But he sure as hell was against Trinidad. I guess that's what you get for running away for the last 3 rounds.
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Old 06-09-2012, 01:29 AM
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Oh, there're tousends of those, hard to pick...
Leonard - Hagler
Leonard - Hearns II
Toney - Griffin I&II
Zbik - Spada
Kawashima - Navarro
Hopkins - Taylor I&II
Calzaghe - Hopkins
Mosley - De la Hoya II
Jackiewicz - Rodriguez
In fact there's much less(what doesn't mean little) robberies in boxing than most of people are trying to make it looks like. The reason is, that most of uneducated fans are convinced that there's only one correct way of scoring the round, so If they had it 115:113 for one guy in a fight with couple close rounds, they will still cry about robberies.
As for Sven Ottke, I didn't see clear robberie involving him, but what those fights were is very close bouts that in neutral ground could go either way, or I could even say it could go to Ottkes opponents because of Sven negativity, but "somehow" German was always getting all the benefits of a doubt from Judges. He was clearly favored.
And Macklin was robbed blind against Sturm.

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Old 06-09-2012, 06:04 AM
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Good call on Leonard-Hearns II. While Tommy did put him down twice, Ray was never in trouble, unlike Hearns who was seriously hurt more than once. I scored it a draw, but I can see why people would give Hearns the nod.

Hagler-Leonard is absurdly debated at length. It is ridiculous; Leonard won, it was obvious.
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Pacquiao/Marquez (any of them)

They were close... but hardly a "robbery" based on historically established criteria and common things looked for by boxing judges. Robbery is waay too extreme.
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They were close... but hardly a "robbery" based on historically established criteria and common things looked for by boxing judges. Robbery is waay too extreme.
Number 3 was a robbery.
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Number 3 was a robbery.
I disagree. Marquez counterpunched well, but that alone isn't (and wasn't) enough to win the fight. His defensive tactics still got him outworked, outlanded and a swollen face. Pacquiao was also the aggressor and pushed the fight forward.

Nothing Marquez did really counters that (no pun intended).
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I disagree. Marquez counterpunched well, but that alone isn't (and wasn't) enough to win the fight. His defensive tactics still got him outworked, outlanded and a swollen face. Pacquiao was also the aggressor and pushed the fight forward.

Nothing Marquez did really counters that (no pun intended).
You only get points for effective aggression and Pacquiao was not being smart in his pushing forward and Marquez was capitalising.

Outworked doesn't mean much, Jirov outworked Toney probably by a factor of 2 and he landed a bit more. However Toney's shots were crisp hard and exceptionally clean due to the counter-punching style he employed.

Even if Pacquiao worked as much as Jirov which he didn't, that still doesn't warrant a victory. Punchstats don't take into account the flushness or damaging value of the shot.

I would argue Marquez' countering, countered that.
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I honestly don't see a robbery when I watch Hoya - Trinidad.



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