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View Poll Results: If He Wasn't A Proven Cheater, Would Shane Mosley Deserve A Place In The HOF?
Yes - His resume and legacy in the sport of boxing is worth of such recognition 17 89.47%
No - His resume isn't good enough and his legacy is overrated 2 10.53%
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Old 06-06-2012, 06:21 PM
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I don't consider drugs when factoring HOF credentials. You'd have to be pretty naive not to suspect most of Mosley's contemporaries of the same thing.
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Old 06-06-2012, 06:23 PM
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Not really.

Neither are good wins, really.

Mosley's Lightweight run is awful. Truly awful.
I'm assuming that you mean his competition was awful and not his performance, which was excellent.

But I'd agree that Mosley's reign at 135 is only slightly better than Moorer's overrated reputation at 175.
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I suspect Iron Dan was being a little sarcastic about the 135lb days of Shane Mosley.
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Old 06-06-2012, 06:48 PM
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I'm assuming that you mean his competition was awful and not his performance, which was excellent.

But I'd agree that Mosley's reign at 135 is only slightly better than Moorer's overrated reputation at 175.
Yeah, I mean his opposition.

He only fought 1 or 2 ranked fighters his entire run there.

His performances where obviously awesome but I put that down to the opposition.

And I consider it to be in the same league as Moorer's LHW's run.

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Old 06-06-2012, 06:49 PM
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I suspect Iron Dan was being a little sarcastic about the 135lb days of Shane Mosley.
I wasn't being sarcastic. I was being deadly serious.

His run at Lightweight was terrible.
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Old 06-06-2012, 07:54 PM
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I wasn't being sarcastic. I was being deadly serious.

His run at Lightweight was terrible.
terrible? i know we are talking about a historic context (which recognizes the notion that men have done better), but shane's run at LW was far from terrible.

if i remember correctly it took almost 30 fights (and an undefeated world champion,) for somebody to last the distance with him


at lw he was a monster. lots of power. great chin. better offensive skills than those with which he's credited (and has displayed,) recently. and he was huge and had speed. tough nut to crack. you'd have to be a hell of a boxer, or be able to take his gas and outgun him. he was never a terrific boxer, but he was good enough. he was so fast and powerful (and able to take such a good punch with his great chin and natural size at LW,) that you'd have a tough time scoring points against him and winning rounds, even if you could clearly outbox him.

his championship run was short. it's obviously not going to put him on par with (benny) leonard, duran, whitaker, ortiz

i dont think he beats them, either. but he was not a "terrible" lightweight. not in my opinion anyway. he was the best fighter on the planet for a period of time. the man was damn good.

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terrible? i know we are talking about a historic context (which recognizes the notion that men have done better), but shane's run at LW was far from terrible.

if i remember correctly it took almost 30 fights (and an undefeated world champion,) for somebody to last the distance with him


at lw he was a monster. lots of power. great chin. better offensive skills than those with which he's credited (and has displayed,) recently. and he was huge and had speed. tough nut to crack. you'd have to be a hell of a boxer, or be able to take his gas and outgun him. he was never a terrific boxer, but he was good enough. he was so fast and powerful (and able to take such a good punch with his great chin and natural size at LW,) that you'd have a tough time scoring points against him and winning rounds, even if you could clearly outbox him.

his championship run was short. it's obviously not going to put him on par with (benny) leonard, duran, whitaker, ortiz

i dont think he beats them, either. but he was not a "terrible" lightweight. not in my opinion anyway. he was the best fighter on the planet for a period of time. the man was damn good.
He literally fought 1 or maybe 2 ranked fighters during his Lightweight reign.

The only good fighter who wasn't well passed his best during that reign was Philip Holiday and he looked distinctly worse and beatable in comparison to the other unranked bums he fought there.

His run at Lightweight is similar to Edwin Valero's Title reign. He even has the KO Ratio to make it look better than it was (Terrible).

And of course he's not on par with Leonard, Duran, Whitaker or Oritz. He's not even in their stratosphere.

He's Lightweight reign pales in comparison to the likes of Ken Buchanan, Estaban DeJesus or even Jose Luis Castillo.

Let alone actual some of the greatest Lightweight's ever.
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I don't consider drugs when factoring HOF credentials. You'd have to be pretty naive not to suspect most of Mosley's contemporaries of the same thing.




That's the truth. If it was not for that deposition nobody would even know Mosley used anything. If he passed the standard testing I'm pretty sure many others have/are too.
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He literally fought 1 or maybe 2 ranked fighters during his Lightweight reign.

The only good fighter who wasn't well passed his best during that reign was Philip Holiday and he looked distinctly worse and beatable in comparison to the other unranked bums he fought there.

His run at Lightweight is similar to Edwin Valero's Title reign. He even has the KO Ratio to make it look better than it was (Terrible).

And of course he's not on par with Leonard, Duran, Whitaker or Oritz. He's not even in their stratosphere.

He's Lightweight reign pales in comparison to the likes of Ken Buchanan, Estaban DeJesus or even Jose Luis Castillo.

Let alone actual some of the greatest Lightweight's ever.


his run at lightweight is very much unlike valero's. surely you cant be serious. edwin valero had a ton of talent but his career was largely a sham. he did not have that kind of power.

and valero did most of his work at 130.

the fact remains that shane mosley's run leading up to and throughout his tenure as a LW was far from terrible. you're talking about him as if he's a bum and he's not. he's a hall of famer based on his work at lightweight and welterweight. looking through the thread i dont see anybody calling it some historic lightweight run.

he moved up in weight to chase big fights. it's not like he was some bum who would have eventually been destroyed by the lightweight shark tank [ ] in 1998..
if the money had been there and he could make the weight he could have stuck around and smashed the "ranked comp" at 135

instead he took on oscar de la hoya at WW after two tune ups and became the top p4p fighter on the planet


not everybody is going to be in the top 5-10 of all time at his weight
that does not make him terrible.

you're talking about shane mosley like he's edwin valero
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I agree that Shane's 135 competition was nothing special. But, he at least showed there was a massive gap between him and those guys while there.
I think he showed by coming up to 147 and meeting much better competition that his 135lb run wasn't a "sham"....he was pretty much just that good.
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