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Old 05-29-2012, 02:04 PM
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So you saw past MAB.
No MAB was a good win but the climb and the rise in weight is when he became great. He is good no doubt
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Old 05-29-2012, 02:07 PM
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No MAB was a good win but the climb and the rise in weight is when he became great. He is good no doubt
yea people wasnt acting like was the second coming until beating Diaz and moving up.....he did lose to Morales first ya know....took off some of that luster
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Old 05-29-2012, 02:27 PM
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yea people wasnt acting like was the second coming until beating Diaz and moving up.....he did lose to Morales first ya know....took off some of that luster
and from what I recall, the HBO announcers were amazed at his improvements during this fight: speed, muscle, strength, etc.

They've obviously covered his previous fights against JMM,MAB,Morales before this fight, but they were astonished at his physical improvements since his previous fights
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Old 05-29-2012, 05:47 PM
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Manny was pretty much a lil fast Gatti, nothing special except his warrior mentality.
Manny started to become "Special" when Alex and his special blend shot Manny up thru the divs.
He was good no doubt, but until Alex came he wasn't special. The shame is all this stuff happend under a cloud of suspicious activity. Nobody can deny the timing and goings on didn't seem at best suspect
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Old 05-29-2012, 05:59 PM
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Manny was pretty much a lil fast Gatti, nothing special except his warrior mentality.
Manny started to become "Special" when Alex and his special blend shot Manny up thru the divs.
He was good no doubt, but until Alex came he wasn't special. The shame is all this stuff happend under a cloud of suspicious activity. Nobody can deny the timing and goings on didn't seem at best suspect

they will sadly
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Old 05-29-2012, 06:05 PM
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Manny was pretty much a lil fast Gatti, nothing special except his warrior mentality.
Manny started to become "Special" when Alex and his special blend shot Manny up thru the divs.
He was good no doubt, but until Alex came he wasn't special. The shame is all this stuff happend under a cloud of suspicious activity. Nobody can deny the timing and goings on didn't seem at best suspect
some of pac's best wins and fights were before alex ariza..and by the time ariza came along pac was already a champ in 4 different divisions and a lineal champ in 3 divisions (something not many fighters have accomplished).
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Old 05-29-2012, 06:10 PM
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some of pac's best wins and fights were before alex ariza..and by the time ariza came along pac was already a champ in 4 different divisions and a lineal champ in 3 divisions (something not many fighters have accomplished).
Yes but he wasnt great or looked at like he will be great. Ariza came along and he shot through the roof. Running through bigger guys while looking stronger, faster, more endurance, and bigger. There is some suspicion in my eyes. He was good then, but not great.
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Old 05-29-2012, 06:16 PM
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Cause he didnt become "great" till Ariza joined before the Diaz fight and his quick climb through the weights and champions. I know not the place and dont want to start a back and forth again but thats how i feel and thats what i saw.
Meh he was arguably already a HOF'er before Ariza came on board.
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Old 05-29-2012, 06:20 PM
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Meh he was arguably already a HOF'er before Ariza came on board.
No i dont think so. He was on his way but before Ariza..No. But we will never know
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Old 05-29-2012, 06:22 PM
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Yes but he wasnt great or looked at like he will be great. Ariza came along and he shot through the roof. Running through bigger guys while looking stronger, faster, more endurance, and bigger. There is some suspicion in my eyes. He was good then, but not great.
He might have looked faster cuz' he was fight slower fighters. But, he was "faster" his endurance was just as awesome before Ariza came. Maybe you just didn't like he style and maybe that is what you're basing it of...But, Pac had that "it". Whether or not he was seen as arguably the greatest fighter of his era is different. But, was he special at the lower weights before Ariza. Yes he was. Scoring a come from behind KO against respectable experience vet in Sasakul at the age of 19 it's pretty special, to do skip 2 whole divisions and go up to the third and beat arguably the best 122lber in just 3 weeks notice is pretty special. And, lets not even mention to what he did to an ATG PRIME Barrera.

Now it's true that no one saw him becoming arguably the greatest fighter of his era. No one probably saw this. But, if you didn't see something special in Pac it's either you didn't follow the lower weights or just didn't care for his brawling style. But, he was a HOF'er before Ariza was part of the team.
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