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Old 05-14-2012, 10:55 AM
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i honestly thought the exact same thing. 'seventeen years? that doesn't seem like very much' lol.
Not when he's counting his eight years of high school.
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Old 05-14-2012, 10:57 AM
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You are drawing unparallel lines here between the African American community and Pakistan. For example, Slavery ended 150 years ago however; it wasn’t until the civil rights that African Americans were actually treated like human beings and equal, they were practically denied their rights under the beloved constitution. Even after the civil rights movement there are numerous obstacles for African Americans to succeed. A white man in America with a criminal record has a better chance getting a job than a Black man without a criminal record today. There are still barriers and negative perceptions. This problem that was brewing for hundreds of years isn’t going to resolve itself over 40 year period.

You second point reeks of superiority complex. Not surprised about your immense white love syndromes every Indians, Pakistanis and Sri Lankans has it. Just search on Google African American inventors before your run your mouth. In 2011 HDI, there are quite a few African nations that have a greater HDI than your beloved Pakistan, eg Kenya, Congo, Ghana, Equatorial Guinea, Namibia. Botswana, Gabon and other Black nations as well. Africa nations don’t need nuclear weapons or long range missiles, majority of African nations for example don’t have a neighbor next door that is willingly to destroy their neighbor over a single dispute. If anything, overall more Blacks were killed during Slavery than the Holocaust

There was nothing wrong what happened in Uganda. There is nothing wrong with wanting your nation economy to be under control by its native people. Idi Amin is a hero and a legend.
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Old 05-14-2012, 11:13 AM
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First of all I would like to say I am not white, I am not black, I am Asian of Pakistani origin, I have noticed a few things about Slavery, Segregation and Struggle. I wish to say that I respect all races, creeds, religions and this is my personal opinion on how to deal with these issues and how I have done so.

1. Slavery : We here about this all the time, Slavery lasted for 400 years it was horrific and I condemn it totally, But it ended 150 years ago! To put things in to perspective Pakistan and India were ruled by the UK for almost 100 years, But 100 years out of the 5000 year old history of the subcontinent is nothing, We dont beat ourselves up about it, We learnt what would could from the British in the form of democratic institutions, universities, railways which are all incidentally still functioning and providing benefit to the masses. Pakistan since its Independence in 1947 which is just 65 odd years made many inventions, Chemotherapy, Computer Virus, The Human Development Index, Built nuclear weapons, Built satellites, The worlds largest Irrigation system and achieved many engineering feats. African Americans must ask themselves what they have achieved in 150 years of freedom? What have they invented? What great engineering feats have they accomplished? Perhaps the problem is that the attitude of a victim has been adopted instead of getting on with life and learning from the past.

2. Segregation: African Americans were segregated at schools and transportation amongst other things, Again this is deplorable, But it no longer happens. Infact Pakistan was overly critical of the segregation of blacks during Apartheid in South Africa, But guess what? Pakistanis today at airports are taken away for "questioning" this is not because of their race but because a handful of retards are hijacking airplanes and flying them into towers and giving my countrymen a bad name, I accept that I will be questioned and led away separately and sometimes held for hours simply because of my background, I dont complain that this is segregation, I understand that a democratic society has a right to safeguard its citizens and if it temporarily causes inconvenience and saves lives and prevents retards from giving me and my country a bad name then so be it! I am directly comparing how I have to wait at the airport and the questioning I get with Rosa Parks, Rosa Parks at least was allowed on the bus! Many Pakistanis are not allowed to fly on a plane! We dont complain about segregation! The United States is a great country that treats all of its citizens well, It may not have always done so and the United States maybe bad for other countries, But for Americans, American goes to great efforts to safeguard its people. You should be thankful you live in country that protects its citizens.

3. Struggle : We have heard about the struggle many times before, Which struggle exactly are African Americans referring? Surely they would have taken up armed struggle against oppression if the treatment of African Americans was so horrific? Or perhaps African Americans did not take up arms against their oppressors because the oppression they suffered back home in Africa was worse? There was never an attempt to systematically exterminate African Americans, There was no "Auschwitz" death camps, There were no "medical" experiments carried out, There was nothing like that. Contrast that with the treatment of Pakistanis living in Uganda by black Ugandans, They turned up with Machetes took over Pakistani business and land which the Ugandas were unable to maintain and they are now laying vacant for decades. Surely the African American community should be just as vocal in their condemnation of Ugandas treatment of Pakistanis which were all forcibly expelled and their property seized and murdered as they are were about the treatment of African Americans by whites.


In short there has been discrimination, But you can either change your circumstances or you can remain a victim of your circumstances, Get on with life or let life pass you by. The problem is not so much "discrimination" but the illusion of discrimination. Often people and societies look for scapegoats to blame their own lack of success as a community, That tends to always lead to failure.
Translation: AFrican Americans are lazy and should stop using slavery and segregation as a crutch.

Passive aggressive much?
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First of all I would like to say I am not white, I am not black, I am Asian of Pakistani origin, I have noticed a few things about Slavery, Segregation and Struggle. I wish to say that I respect all races, creeds, religions and this is my personal opinion on how to deal with these issues and how I have done so.

1. Slavery : We here about this all the time, Slavery lasted for 400 years it was horrific and I condemn it totally, But it ended 150 years ago! To put things in to perspective Pakistan and India were ruled by the UK for almost 100 years, But 100 years out of the 5000 year old history of the subcontinent is nothing, We dont beat ourselves up about it, We learnt what would could from the British in the form of democratic institutions, universities, railways which are all incidentally still functioning and providing benefit to the masses. Pakistan since its Independence in 1947 which is just 65 odd years made many inventions, Chemotherapy, Computer Virus, The Human Development Index, Built nuclear weapons, Built satellites, The worlds largest Irrigation system and achieved many engineering feats. African Americans must ask themselves what they have achieved in 150 years of freedom? What have they invented? What great engineering feats have they accomplished? Perhaps the problem is that the attitude of a victim has been adopted instead of getting on with life and learning from the past.

2. Segregation: African Americans were segregated at schools and transportation amongst other things, Again this is deplorable, But it no longer happens. Infact Pakistan was overly critical of the segregation of blacks during Apartheid in South Africa, But guess what? Pakistanis today at airports are taken away for "questioning" this is not because of their race but because a handful of retards are hijacking airplanes and flying them into towers and giving my countrymen a bad name, I accept that I will be questioned and led away separately and sometimes held for hours simply because of my background, I dont complain that this is segregation, I understand that a democratic society has a right to safeguard its citizens and if it temporarily causes inconvenience and saves lives and prevents retards from giving me and my country a bad name then so be it! I am directly comparing how I have to wait at the airport and the questioning I get with Rosa Parks, Rosa Parks at least was allowed on the bus! Many Pakistanis are not allowed to fly on a plane! We dont complain about segregation! The United States is a great country that treats all of its citizens well, It may not have always done so and the United States maybe bad for other countries, But for Americans, American goes to great efforts to safeguard its people. You should be thankful you live in country that protects its citizens.

3. Struggle : We have heard about the struggle many times before, Which struggle exactly are African Americans referring? Surely they would have taken up armed struggle against oppression if the treatment of African Americans was so horrific? Or perhaps African Americans did not take up arms against their oppressors because the oppression they suffered back home in Africa was worse? There was never an attempt to systematically exterminate African Americans, There was no "Auschwitz" death camps, There were no "medical" experiments carried out, There was nothing like that. Contrast that with the treatment of Pakistanis living in Uganda by black Ugandans, They turned up with Machetes took over Pakistani business and land which the Ugandas were unable to maintain and they are now laying vacant for decades. Surely the African American community should be just as vocal in their condemnation of Ugandas treatment of Pakistanis which were all forcibly expelled and their property seized and murdered as they are were about the treatment of African Americans by whites.


In short there has been discrimination, But you can either change your circumstances or you can remain a victim of your circumstances, Get on with life or let life pass you by. The problem is not so much "discrimination" but the illusion of discrimination. Often people and societies look for scapegoats to blame their own lack of success as a community, That tends to always lead to failure.
I'm not going to argue this out here, I just want to say a couple of things. You do have valid points about "picking yourself up and making a better life"

And if you know anything about black culture in america...that's exactly what has happened. So...I'm confused why you're making this passage.

I'd also like to say this. Re: slavery.

Being a country under british rule cannot compare to slavery.

Being a slave means you are a possession of another person. No rights. As a male slave, it means you will work until you die and never experience the fruits of you labor. It means you have no name, no family name to hand down or to be a part of.

As a woman it means you are a "breeder" of other slaves, and that your children, either forced upon you or not...can be taken away from you.

There wasn't a family unit, that's the purpose of slavery.

Sure, there were many cases where slaves were part of the family, and treated well, etc.

But there were many cases where they weren't.

Again, being under british rule is not the same thing as being ripped from your family and made to be a slave.

Wtf dude.
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First of all I would like to say I am not white, I am not black, I am Asian of Pakistani origin, I have noticed a few things about Slavery, Segregation and Struggle. I wish to say that I respect all races, creeds, religions and this is my personal opinion on how to deal with these issues and how I have done so.

1. Slavery : We here about this all the time, Slavery lasted for 400 years it was horrific and I condemn it totally, But it ended 150 years ago! To put things in to perspective Pakistan and India were ruled by the UK for almost 100 years, But 100 years out of the 5000 year old history of the subcontinent is nothing, We dont beat ourselves up about it, We learnt what would could from the British in the form of democratic institutions, universities, railways which are all incidentally still functioning and providing benefit to the masses. Pakistan since its Independence in 1947 which is just 65 odd years made many inventions, Chemotherapy, Computer Virus, The Human Development Index, Built nuclear weapons, Built satellites, The worlds largest Irrigation system and achieved many engineering feats. African Americans must ask themselves what they have achieved in 150 years of freedom? What have they invented? What great engineering feats have they accomplished? Perhaps the problem is that the attitude of a victim has been adopted instead of getting on with life and learning from the past.

2. Segregation: African Americans were segregated at schools and transportation amongst other things, Again this is deplorable, But it no longer happens. Infact Pakistan was overly critical of the segregation of blacks during Apartheid in South Africa, But guess what? Pakistanis today at airports are taken away for "questioning" this is not because of their race but because a handful of retards are hijacking airplanes and flying them into towers and giving my countrymen a bad name, I accept that I will be questioned and led away separately and sometimes held for hours simply because of my background, I dont complain that this is segregation, I understand that a democratic society has a right to safeguard its citizens and if it temporarily causes inconvenience and saves lives and prevents retards from giving me and my country a bad name then so be it! I am directly comparing how I have to wait at the airport and the questioning I get with Rosa Parks, Rosa Parks at least was allowed on the bus! Many Pakistanis are not allowed to fly on a plane! We dont complain about segregation! The United States is a great country that treats all of its citizens well, It may not have always done so and the United States maybe bad for other countries, But for Americans, American goes to great efforts to safeguard its people. You should be thankful you live in country that protects its citizens.

3. Struggle : We have heard about the struggle many times before, Which struggle exactly are African Americans referring? Surely they would have taken up armed struggle against oppression if the treatment of African Americans was so horrific? Or perhaps African Americans did not take up arms against their oppressors because the oppression they suffered back home in Africa was worse? There was never an attempt to systematically exterminate African Americans, There was no "Auschwitz" death camps, There were no "medical" experiments carried out, There was nothing like that. Contrast that with the treatment of Pakistanis living in Uganda by black Ugandans, They turned up with Machetes took over Pakistani business and land which the Ugandas were unable to maintain and they are now laying vacant for decades. Surely the African American community should be just as vocal in their condemnation of Ugandas treatment of Pakistanis which were all forcibly expelled and their property seized and murdered as they are were about the treatment of African Americans by whites.


In short there has been discrimination, But you can either change your circumstances or you can remain a victim of your circumstances, Get on with life or let life pass you by. The problem is not so much "discrimination" but the illusion of discrimination. Often people and societies look for scapegoats to blame their own lack of success as a community, That tends to always lead to failure.
Dont troll. A bunch of us are of Pakistani roots here. We are not hear to preach social sciences.
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Im sure if you contrast Mexico with the USA there is a bigger difference.
I never compared Mexico to America did I?

Mexico has a great culture and history but it hasn't achieved the greatness the U.S has. No country, no civilization has achieved what the U.S has in the last 200 years.
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Ok thread starter since you seem so interested in the betterment of the majority of African Americans. look at the declining education system in black neighborhoods how can we fix this? Also we can help the black community by having banks loan black people money to start their own businesses. Have police work with community organizers to decrease crime in black neighborhoods.
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In short there has been discrimination, But you can either change your circumstances or you can remain a victim of your circumstances, Get on with life or let life pass you by. The problem is not so much "discrimination" but the illusion of discrimination. Often people and societies look for scapegoats to blame their own lack of success as a community, That tends to always lead to failure.
I agree, though i should note that this applies to all people.

its your own perception of what might be a situation that leads to the situation.

it is your own resentment that makes you feel you are owed more then you are, its your own resnetment that makes you stop trying when what you feel your owed isnt paid.

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