i am honestly perplexed at the p4p title being vacant

[IronDanHamza]

Originally Posted by New England

the latter mostly, but i think it can certainly be considered subpar for floyd mayweather. i'm not to say that stems entirely from any deterioration, but i dont think he looked spectacular. in the past he has looked spectacular. he looked very good in spots. he's often steady as a rock.

i dont think there's any question that mayweather jr's legs arent what they used to be. he ended up getting touched a bit and looking like his conditioning was being called upon. i think there was a better way to fight and he wasnt able to impliment some of that because



cotto looked improved as well in terms of his game planning


for instance, and for whatever it's worth, mayweather looked much worse than did pacquiao against cotto.

Pacquaio got touched more than Mayweather did against Cotto. Looked worse after the fight.

Does that mean he looked bad too?

I can't think of any other reason why Mayweather looked bad except for his opponent landing 20% of punches as opposed to 17% of punches which caused a bloody nose.

[Barnburner]

Originally Posted by IronDanHamza

Pacquaio got touched more than Mayweather did against Cotto. Looked worse after the fight.

Does that mean he looked bad too?

I can't think of any other reason why Mayweather looked bad except for his opponent landing 20% of punches as opposed to 17% of punches which caused a bloody nose.

Bloody noses are over-rated on this forum. You can get a bloody nose from one well placed glancing shot pretty easily.

[wmute]

Can we all agree that Mayweather looked pretty good for being 35, but not as good as he was looking when he was 30 or less?

[GoogleMe]

Make those two fight... Really, I refuse to rank any of top higher than top 40 if they don't face each other.

[New England]

Originally Posted by IronDanHamza

Why? Because he took some hard jabs and got a nose bleed in a fight?

He won the majority of the rounds and clearly won the fight by a wide margin.

It's actually one of the best I've seen him above 140. Combinations as if he were back at 130.

i agree in that i believe the fight was clearyly won by floyd mayweather. he probably won at least eight rounds. i'll have to go back and watch the punches to give a legitimate scorecard. cotto did put together some strong rounds and was able to turn the heat up meaningfully and make some opportunities to land hard shots.

some credit goes to miguel cotto. he's a terrific boxer in his own right.

obviously, as you alluded to, floyd was touched up a bit. that's obviously nothing to scoff at, but when he's on the mark he's had some performances where he's been hardly hit, and certainly not with anything of real consequence.

his timing did look off. worse than i had expected, given how active he has been.

he wasnt a ring general on the level that we are used to seeing. i refuse to believe that he intended to lay on the ropes, even if he was able to get the better of some of the stretches where he was forced there by cotto.

i thought his legs looked to be showing the signs of deterioration that you would expect from a fleet fighter entering the latter half of his 30's


now, that being said, he was letting his hands go in twos and sometimes even threes. maybe he was serious about trying to provide more excitement, or there was at least some level of truth i that statement. he gave cotto lots of praise following the fight, alluded indirectly and very briefly to retirement, etc. all circumstantial, but it's a sign that floyd felt that it was one of his hardest fights. and again, you dont need me to tell you, he's quite often looking like his opponent doesnt belong in the ring with him at the end of the fight

cotto looked like he belonged in there with mayweather
and with pacquiao, after the 5th round, he really didnt.

now, styles make fights, and pacquiao is a brute


what's my opinion on the best way to beat miguel cotto?
hit him on the chin and see if he can take your gas. dont box with him. hurt him. he can be hurt and it will change his outlook on the fight and the way he is boxing. maybe the 154 lb limit gave cotto some ability to take damage that he didnt have against pacquiao when he was at 145 (catchweight for a ww strap, right? it all blends together and i dont want to check on the boxrec )

obviously pacquiao's better suited for walking into the ring to take somebody's soul

[Scott9945]

Originally Posted by wmute

Can we all agree that Mayweather looked pretty good for being 35, but not as good as he was looking when he was 30 or less?

Yes, although I'm also allowing for Floyd not being in his best weight class. He'll be sharper at 147 against welters, IMO.

[New England]

Originally Posted by Scott9945

Yes, although I'm also allowing for Floyd not being in his best weight class. He'll be sharper at 147 against welters, IMO.

weight aside, victor ortiz is bigger and stronger than miguel cotto

[Roman Moreno]

I don't care what The Ring does with a mythical based ranking.

What bothers me more is that they want to give more integrity to a title that doesn't really exist in their P4P concept. Than the actual divisional title.

Really they will have their P4P 1 vacant. But, yet would change the rules to fulfill their vacancy divisional titles. Because, they have too many divisional ring titles vacant.

It just makes no sense.

[catalinul]

There should be a p4p no 1 but it's clear that Mayweather and Pacquiao are the top 29which ever way you rank them0 and they aren't fighting eachother.

So it's meh either way.

[wmute]

Originally Posted by Scott9945

Yes, although I'm also allowing for Floyd not being in his best weight class. He'll be sharper at 147 against welters, IMO.

Originally Posted by New England

weight aside, victor ortiz is bigger and stronger than miguel cotto

I am inclined to think the weight is the smallest part as NE suggests (except Cotto is 5x times the fighter Ortiz is IMO, so that plays a big role too), but I am not sure at all about it.

On one hand Oscar and Cotto have been Mayweather's toughest fight since Castillo 1 (where he was facing a 10lbs disadvantage), on the other hand they were tought in completely different manners. TBH while I do not buy today's claim that Mayweather stood his ground to give the fans what they wanted, I have always been convinced that he did deliberately less than he could against Oscar, because he saw the money in a rematch (which he exceptionally mentioned in the postfight interview). Oh well who cares. Let's see him fight again. The fights are actually getting better as he gets worse.