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Old 04-28-2012, 09:54 PM
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Old 04-28-2012, 10:05 PM
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Both have their ups and downs, I can see how if you are a fan and not talking about credentials that Hearns' list is okay. The problem is, top ten all time. Not top 10 most entertaining. Even then, there's a lot more guys that are more fun to watch.
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I would concede that Tyson might be the best teenage fighter of all time.
Not Benitez?
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Old 04-29-2012, 09:39 AM
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Not Benitez?
You might have me on that one, but it is close.
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Old 04-29-2012, 11:25 AM
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Wifred at 17 yrs old defeated the great Cervantes for the title thats alot more of an achievement than Tyson beating up hand picked opponents to KO! Hell they were ready to bring in tomato cans from Texas soon enough! Ray
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Old 04-29-2012, 11:32 AM
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I would consider Cuevas and Benitez to both be better teenagers fighters than Tyson.
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Old 04-29-2012, 06:38 PM
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On Steward's List:

Foreman, Pacquiao?

Hagler above Duran?

Hagler, but no SRL?

He was a better boxer and athlete, beat him H2H and defeated better fighters (or versions) outside of their fight. I'd put Benitez (38-0) and maybe even '81 Kalule (36-0) on a higher level than just about any of the middleweight contenders Marvin ran through. Roberto Duran was of course naturally better at lightweight, but still world's better at 147 than 160; he didn't "move up to fight SRL" - he was established at the weight a year before they even fought, putting a masterclass technical performance in against Carlos Palomino. It doesn't look good on Marvin that Duran lasted the 15 round distance with him at 160. Thomas Hearns is often regarded as the No. 1 or 2 H2H Welterweight of all-time and was at his most powerful here (32-0, 30 KO) even if he peaked as an all-around fighter at 154. Hagler beat him in his first bout at 160.

SRL > Hagler
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Foreman, Pacquiao?

Hagler above Duran?

Hagler, but no SRL?

He was a better boxer and athlete, beat him H2H and defeated better fighters (or versions) outside of their fight. I'd put Benitez (38-0) and maybe even '81 Kalule (36-0) on a higher level than just about any of the middleweight contenders Marvin ran through. Roberto Duran was of course naturally better at lightweight, but still world's better at 147 than 160; he didn't "move up to fight SRL" - he was established at the weight a year before they even fought, putting a masterclass technical performance in against Carlos Palomino. It doesn't look good on Marvin that Duran lasted the 15 round distance with him at 160. Thomas Hearns is often regarded as the No. 1 or 2 H2H Welterweight of all-time and was at his most powerful here (32-0, 30 KO) even if he peaked as an all-around fighter at 154. Hagler beat him in his first bout at 160.

SRL > Hagler
This isn't lets make Barnburner sad by hating on his favourite fighter thread.

I do agree though, Ray Leonard is better than Marvelous. Ray Leonard has the better wins overall. Hagler narrows the gap with sheer dominance, longevity and a not bad resume of wins to boot.

Another thing I would add is where you rank Hearns H2H depends on the rounds of the fights. Over 15 people like Robinson and Leonard(obviously) catch up to him. Over 12, he might be unbeatable.
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Definitely.

In fact, I think Hearns probably beats Ray 9/10 times over 12 rounds. That's what I've said before, but as I think about it that may be way over the top for the simple fact that in a 12-round fight, SRL would know how much time beforehand he has left to - inevitably - come from behind and stop Tommy. He took him into deep waters, but had him hurt and wobbled in the mid-rounds prior to that. I'm tending to think he turns up the gas a lot sooner over 12.
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I would consider Cuevas and Benitez to both be better teenagers fighters than Tyson.
I can see Benitez, but Cuevas lost five fights in his teens, four of them to obscure opposition.
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