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Old 04-25-2012, 04:59 AM
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Default Jose Luis Castillo underrated

I feel JLC is not getting the deserved love these days.

In his prime he was tough as nails and much more skilled than ever given credit for.

This guy had an excellent run, gave hell to Mayweather and Casamayor (and should have really been winning the fight of the decade, when taking away fouling, but who cares they basically both won that fight).

Also probably the best inside fighter of the lower weights after his mentor.
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Old 04-25-2012, 05:12 AM
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he was a beast in his prime....
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Old 04-25-2012, 07:51 AM
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Definitely! To me he's the most underrated Mexican fighter of last decade, one of my favorites as well. I saw even some people stating that Juan Diaz was better! huh...
He not only gave hell to Mayweather and Casamayor, his first fight with Floyd could've gone either way on neutral ground and his win over Joel is completely legit. Don't get me wrong, Casa was great fighter as well, I rank him even higher than Castillo and I think he was robbed against Corraless blind and should've got the decision against Freitas, but he didn't with that night against Castillo. He started well, but then fight even up in middle rounds and JL completely took control in last 3-4. If any of the scorecards was questionable, to me it's the one that had Casa winning.
Another thing is Corrales fight, he lost it but you know.. it was once in boxing history kind of come-back for Chico and also If you ask me, guy should've been disqualified when he threw mouthpice on the ring He wouldn't be able to survive if he didn't get that additional time TWICE. I truly believe that Jose knocks Diego out any other day than that one.
People also still overlook Stevie Johnston who was ... he was little but bad guys. High volume puncher, good athlethe with great defensive skills and great abilities to counter in close distance, also tough as nails. It were two great, very close fights that could've really gone either way, but results were completely legit as well. And I believe Castillo get even better later in his career.
Then there comes really good wins over Lazcano, Diaz, Bazan and also Ngoudjo who I think was the best junior welterweight of last decade that didn't win a belt.
Castillo was really great at fighting pure boxers, I mean, what aggressiv, brawler kind of fighter can argue that he beat guys like Mayweather and Casamayor, two of the smartest, trickest boxers of last decade?
He was so great at shortening up the distance, he would go low on his legs and bend in waist and then when he was close he'd just keep working, he wasn't stopping after getting hit like most of the fighters do, so even when he was getting hit, he always threw back immediately. In every clinch he'd just keep banging that body as well. Relentless. Another thing that let him do that well against Floyd and Casa was that he actually had decent counterpunching skills. You couldn't just jab at him freely like boxers can do against most of pressure fighters, he had pretty good countering right hand. His defence was also underrated considering his style, especially against single punches and when he was getting hit much it was usually when guys were following it up with combinations. When you add his height, welterweight-like size, decent speed and good punching power you have almost perfect pressure fighter.
I just love his style, technique, the way he fights, Jose Luis Castillo was great fighter and it's really ridiculous that some people are questioning his Hall of Fame status. I really believe that he was better than Kostya Tszyu who I think was inducted in his first try?
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Old 04-25-2012, 08:30 AM
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Definitely! To me he's the most underrated Mexican fighter of last decade, one of my favorites as well. I saw even some people stating that Juan Diaz was better! huh...
He not only gave hell to Mayweather and Casamayor, his first fight with Floyd could've gone either way on neutral ground and his win over Joel is completely legit. Don't get me wrong, Casa was great fighter as well, I rank him even higher than Castillo and I think he was robbed against Corraless blind and should've got the decision against Freitas, but he didn't with that night against Castillo. He started well, but then fight even up in middle rounds and JL completely took control in last 3-4. If any of the scorecards was questionable, to me it's the one that had Casa winning.
Another thing is Corrales fight, he lost it but you know.. it was once in boxing history kind of come-back for Chico and also If you ask me, guy should've been disqualified when he threw mouthpice on the ring He wouldn't be able to survive if he didn't get that additional time TWICE. I truly believe that Jose knocks Diego out any other day than that one.
People also still overlook Stevie Johnston who was ... he was little but bad guys. High volume puncher, good athlethe with great defensive skills and great abilities to counter in close distance, also tough as nails. It were two great, very close fights that could've really gone either way, but results were completely legit as well. And I believe Castillo get even better later in his career.
Then there comes really good wins over Lazcano, Diaz, Bazan and also Ngoudjo who I think was the best junior welterweight of last decade that didn't win a belt.
Castillo was really great at fighting pure boxers, I mean, what aggressiv, brawler kind of fighter can argue that he beat guys like Mayweather and Casamayor, two of the smartest, trickest boxers of last decade?
He was so great at shortening up the distance, he would go low on his legs and bend in waist and then when he was close he'd just keep working, he wasn't stopping after getting hit like most of the fighters do, so even when he was getting hit, he always threw back immediately. In every clinch he'd just keep banging that body as well. Relentless. Another thing that let him do that well against Floyd and Casa was that he actually had decent counterpunching skills. You couldn't just jab at him freely like boxers can do against most of pressure fighters, he had pretty good countering right hand. His defence was also underrated considering his style, especially against single punches and when he was getting hit much it was usually when guys were following it up with combinations. When you add his height, welterweight-like size, decent speed and good punching power you have almost perfect pressure fighter.
I just love his style, technique, the way he fights, Jose Luis Castillo was great fighter and it's really ridiculous that some people are questioning his Hall of Fame status. I really believe that he was better than Kostya Tszyu who I think was inducted in his first try?
I agree on everything, except

1) the defense part. I think slipping and rolling is the only part he did not learn enough from JC.

2) Better than Zoo, I dunno... but you are right that Zoo is usually held in much higher regard, and it should not be the case.

I überagree on the skills and counterpunching part. Not your average pressure fighter, by any means. People completely overlook that these days.
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Old 04-25-2012, 09:34 AM
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Yes, maybe I'm giving Castillo a bit too much credit for his defence, but still it was pretty good to me considering level of oppositions.
And about Tszyu it's my personal opinion that I don't expect everyone to agree with. It's close, but I rate lightweight Castillo higher than 140 Tszyu.
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Old 04-25-2012, 09:48 AM
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He was one of the last truly good pressure fighters. Always a fan.
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Old 04-25-2012, 12:08 PM
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Absolutely.

He was the greatest Lightweight of the last era.
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Old 04-25-2012, 12:19 PM
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He was the greatest Lightweight of the last era.
What he said.
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Old 04-25-2012, 12:43 PM
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All of this chitchat I initiated is made me put on jonhston-castillo. Man, I like that fight...
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Old 04-25-2012, 06:47 PM
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With all his weigh in debacles, Castillo has turned into a joke. But as far as his time as lightweight champion, everything positive said about him in this thread is true. He was a very punishing fighter.
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