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Old 04-24-2012, 07:50 PM
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Then there was Danny "Kid Dynamite" Romero, who did absolutely no sparring.
That was because Romero was trained by his idiot father. But he did the usual conditioning work.
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Old 04-25-2012, 01:59 AM
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Wilfred Benitez.....notorious for not training.
First person that came to mind.

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Old 04-25-2012, 02:30 AM
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mayorga, locche. tyson had some terrible ones later on in his career if you count those.
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Old 04-25-2012, 03:29 AM
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In what sense? At all, ever? Just got by on nothing but pure talent (which is actually impossible. Even Benitez spent every second of his childhood in a boxing ring with a great coach as a father pushing him all day, every day)? Or at points in their career? Lots!

Benitez, at points didn't train hard for some major fights. He had arguably his greatest reign at 154 and for once actually did train for those big fights properly. You can see he just looks a little bit sharper than in previous years.

Duran was another who was terrible at training and had shocking habits during it. Reading Arcel and especially Freddie Brown's accounts of him is hilarious sometimes, sad at others. Brown especially was a tragic story as it was actually him that did most of the real work with Duran and spent all day, every day during training with him. Arcel came out of retirement and spent camp at the gym, but it was Brown that spent every waking, and many sleeping hours watching over him to make sure he wasn't running off, slacking off, etc etc.

It's still said that Brown literally died of a broken heart from the Duran/Leonard rematch. Reading Brown's account of it afterward is utterly tragic.

Imagine if these two had had the training habits of Hopkins, Mayweather, or Pacquiao.
there is an article about duran in cbz where he expressed regrets about his laziness and irresponsible lifestyle... he wondered how much further he would've gone if he was responsible enough...

he even gave props to hopkins for his longevity... it was a great read...
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Old 04-25-2012, 04:27 AM
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Wasn't the camp leading up to Buster Douglas one of Tyson's worst earlier in his career as well? I remember Aaron Snowell saying Tyson was headed for a butt whipping for all his slacking off.
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Old 04-26-2012, 08:02 AM
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true that, but moreso later in his career.
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Old 04-26-2012, 08:20 AM
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Can remember before the parkinsons syndrome fully kicked in, Muhammad Ali spent a lot of his time following and guiding the career of Tim Witherspoon, but became so appalled by his lack of training and out of ring activities, that he eventually withdrew from trying to help him..

I also recall quite vividly when Witherspoon came over to Basildon, England (which was near to where i was living at the time) to defend his WBA title against Frank Bruno..
Terrible Tim set up a makeshift training camp in a big tent near to the fight venue, and conducted a series of public workouts; one of which, i attended.. My God, he looked bad and i just could'nt comprehend that this sluggish ox i observed huffing and puffing to put a dent in the bag, was even fighting for a world title, let alone defending one..
Spoon even 'looked' out of shape, with very little muscle tone and a big ring around his midriff.. Nevertheless, i suppose he pulled off a masterclass of fooling Bruno into a false sense of security..
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Old 04-26-2012, 08:58 AM
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Whiskey, Women, and Motorcycles: The Career of Lew Jenkins
06.01.06 - By Craig Parrish: Lew Jenkins was one of the most naturally talented, tough as nails Fighters the boxing world has ever seen. He was also one of it***8217;s greatest Hell-Raisers, widely known for his infamous run-ins with Police, lack of training, womanizing, and getting in the ring so drunk he could barely stand. Lew Jenkins was born in Texas in 1916. His family was farm laborers and they spent many years living in wagons and tents, traveling from farm to farm to harvest cotton..

As a young child he was too small to carry a cotton sack and would walk the rows ahead of his Father, stacking small piles of cotton for harvest, working until his fingers were infected and bleeding. It was the Depression, and although his Father was a hard working man, the family could never seem to get ahead. After his Father died in 1932, young Lew started looking around for a better way to make a buck.

The early years of heavy farm labor had made him a tough kid, and he discovered the rough and tumble world of ***8220;Carnival Boxing***8221;. He would take on all comers, and if his opponent defeated them they would receive 25% of the ticket sales. If they failed, they received nothing ***8220;but a whipping***8221; as Jenkins later said. Jenkins weighed 120 pounds. He fought an average of one to four bouts a night, every night.

He joined the Army but continued to fight on his leave time around Dallas. He typically made 5 or 10 dollars a match, depending on the number of rounds. In 1938 he won 18 fights but lost 5. In 1939, he was 13-3. He was starting to make pretty decent money at this point, but his bad habits were also starting to accumulate. And accelerate. Lew had a passion for whiskey and cigarettes, nightclubs, and women. He later stated ***8220; I never did go to sleep, never did eat right, never trained at all hardly. I just completely wore myself out***8221;. For the poor kid from Texas, money in his pocket was a new thing and the party would never end.

In 1940, the rough and tumble Jenkins got his shot. He had realized that he needed to slow down a bit and actually train for the bout. A longtime smoker, Jenkins actually quit for a few weeks and trained hard for the fight. However, in the week before the fight Lew ***8220;fell of the wagon***8221; and broke all the rules. Somehow he managed to show up for his title fight with Lou Ambers, and his big right hand was still intact. He KO***8217;d Ambers in the 3rd round and became the Lightweight Champion of the World. Now with the Championship belt in his hand, Jenkins***8217; bad habits and free spending got even worse. He bought cars and motorcycles. He bought a plane. He bought a racehorse. He would go out to a nightclub and spend $1000 in a single night. He was the Champ and everything was on him. He was making Fifteen to Twenty thousand dollars per fight, and he spent it as fast as he got it.

His training habits got worse and worse, to the point of non-existent. He was knocked out in the 6th round by the legendary Henry Armstrong in July, but battled back to KO Lou Ambers again on the 7th in February, 1941. He then lost a decision to Bob Montgomery. At this time, Jenkins was involved in a serious motorcycle accident in New Jersey. He sped off the road and fell about 60 feet, landing in a tree. He received 3 broken vertebrae in his neck. He had the Doctor place a removable cast on his neck as he was preparing for a title defense against Sammy Angott. The injury was so painful he could do no road work at all, but he showed up for the Angott fight, took the brace off his neck, and went in to lose a 15 round decision. His days as Champion were over. He was 25 years old.

In 1942, the downward spiral got even worse. Jenkins lost 9 of 10 bouts, mainly to a series of unknown fighters. His drinking and nightlife were out of control and were taking their toll, and he often had a quart of whiskey stashed in his water pail in the ring corner. After a series of arrests and ***8220;beatings from cops***8221;, he went into the Coast Guard to serve during World War II. Military life did little to slow down Jenkins, as now instead of fighting in the ring his fights were in the street. He was discharged in 1945. With nothing but Boxing to fall back on, Lew got back into the ring. He fought sporadically over the next five years, fighting mainly second rate fighters. His last fights of note came in 1950, his final year, when he lost a decision to Carmen Basilio and was KO***8217;d by Beau Jack.

Now at 34, Jenkins was desperate. His boxing career was over, and quite frankly had been for a long time. He was broke, ***8220;drank down***8221;, and at rock bottom. He had really only known two things since leaving the cotton fields of Texas, fighting and the Service. With nowhere left to go, nobody to turn to, and no other way out, Jenkins re-enlisted in the Army. And as unlikely as it seems, joining the Army with the Korean conflict looming actually saved his life.

Lew Jenkins became a decorated soldier in the Army during the Korean conflict and credited it for his salvation. Trapped behind enemy lines will all his comrades dying around him, Jenkins vowed that if he made it out he would change his ways. He was as good as his word. Jenkins became a career soldier and retired from the Army in 1963 with the rank of First Sergeant. He became a dedicated Husband and Family man, and finally seemed to find the peace that his raging spirit had been searching for so many years. The thrill of the ring was gone, the money was gone, but at the end he conquered his demons once and for all. He passed away in 1981.

Lew Jenkins***8217; career record was 65-39-5 with 47 knockouts. Although he had quite a few losses, one has to wonder what the man***8217;s career might have been if he had actually trained properly. After his career was done, he later said ***8220;when I was through, I was just drank down and wore to a nub. And I hadn***8217;t even learned to fight***8221;. At 47 knockouts, he unquestionably had a lot of power. His is the age-old tale of a kid who came from nothing, had a huge rise, and a even bigger fall. Fortunately, this kid pulled himself back up again. He was inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame in 1999.


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