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Old 04-06-2012, 11:13 AM
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Floyd Mayweather Jr. reigns supreme in the hit-and-don't-get-hit game.

"Hit and don't get hit," goes the old adage in boxing. And from a statistical perspective, at least, it seems no one is better at living up to that credo than Floyd Mayweather Jr.

According to Bob Canobbio, owner and founder of CompuBox -- a computerized scoring system that counts every punch a boxer throws and lands -- Mayweather's average connect rate of 46 percent, compiled during his past nine fights (a "prime" designated by CompuBox), ranks as the best among current active fighters.

Power In Numbers

Baseball has Bill James and the Oakland A's Beane counters. The NBA has its Sloan Conference. Even the NFL, often seemingly stuck in a "Mad Men" time warp, is starting to answer the siren song of statistical analysis.

But boxing? Turns out the sweet science isn't so scientific after all.

Our hope is to change that, or at least to get fight fans talking and thinking about how even basic statistics can help reveal truths about the sport we love.

By how much? Well, fellow pound-for-pound greats such as Sergio Martinez and Miguel Cotto (both 34 percent during their primes) just don't hold up. And Nonito Donaire, it seems, isn't as flashy as his "Filipino Flash" nickname suggests, averaging only 29 percent. Mayweather's only competition in the accuracy stakes is super middleweight champion Andre Ward, at 38 percent.

More impressive than Mayweather's own connect percentage is that of Floyd's opponents against him. They land a mere 16 percent of punches thrown, the lowest collective figure recorded in CompuBox's 4,000-fight database.

-- Statistics courtesy of CompuBox

Mayweather beat all comers by throwing 20 fewer punches per round (38.6) than the weight class average of 58.4. Yet despite the relatively low output, Mayweather landed only two fewer punches per round (17.5) than the weight class average of 19.1. Those numbers attest to a fighter who rarely misses, indeed one of the most efficient punchers alive.

So how does Pacquiao compare? The numbers are undeniably impressive. His 21.8 punches connected per round is greater than Mayweather's. But with Pacquiao, the numbers also illuminate his most glaring weakness, one he shares with countless other warriors of the ring: He gets hit a lot.

Measured against Mayweather's plus-30 rating at 147 pounds, Pacquiao's plus/minus is puny (plus-4.7). Manny throws his jab twice as often as Mayweather, but he connects with that punch only 12.3 percent of the time, compared with Mayweather's 41.6 percent jab connect rate.

More telling is the comparison of power punching. Pacquiao's connect rate on power punches is an astronomical 45.3 percent, only slightly below that of Mayweather, who lands at 47.8 percent. But opponents land 33.6 percent of their punches on PacMan. Pretty Boy's foes? They touch him up at roughly half that rate (18.6 percent).

Perhaps this explains why Juan Manuel Marquez had so much success against Pacquiao, while Mayweather recorded a one-sided rout against JMM. Most likely, it was only Pacquiao's industry and granite chin that saved the day in his three wars with Marquez.

Greatest of all time?

Statistically speaking, Mayweather clearly reigns supreme over his contemporaries. But he also stacks up very well against history's pugilistic pantheon.

CompuBox stats suggest Mayweather sits high atop a pile of fighters whose numbers were measured during their designated primes, tabulated using ringside figures and fight films. In a plus/minus comparison, greats such as Marvin Hagler (plus-17 percent) and Sugar Ray Leonard (plus-13 percent) don't come close. Roberto Duran (plus-8 percent), Thomas Hearns (plus-6 percent) and Muhammad Ali (plus-4 percent) fall short, too.

Only heavyweight great Joe Louis, at plus-26 percent, approached Mayweather's peak. And the one area, at least for this particular analysis, in which Mayweather had competition was connect percentage, where Louis and fellow former heavyweight champ Lennox Lewis edged him by 2 percent.

The name on the lips of most who might dispute Mayweather's claim as boxing's GOAT is Sugar Ray Robinson. There is almost unanimous agreement among experts that Robinson's reign at welterweight represented boxing skill at its purest, perhaps not bettered since. Unfortunately, no film footage exists of his exploits at that weight, and we are left to rely only on written accounts of his brilliance.

Full disclosure: The CompuBox statistics for Robinson are sampled from his below-peak middleweight years (although he is also widely considered the greatest middleweight of all time). The absence of comprehensive (and in some cases, any) data from bygone eras is an inherent drawback in any historical statistical analysis, but the numbers we have, combined with anecdotal evidence, give us the foundation to start a Robinson-versus-Mayweather discussion.

Calculating "greatness" by the numbers might be an impossible task. But for the purposes of this analysis, and taking into account that age-old boxing axiom, we may have to concede that Mayweather is every bit as good as he claims to be: the greatest ever.

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Old 04-06-2012, 11:18 AM
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Weird comparison about Robinson at the end, he got hit ALOT for being as great as he was, same with Ali. Different styles of fighters completely.
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Old 04-06-2012, 11:18 AM
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He may go down as one of the best defensives ever. Cant wait for the fanboys to get on this one
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Old 04-06-2012, 11:22 AM
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He may go down as one of the best defensives ever. Cant wait for the fanboys to get on this one
According to these stats he already is the greatest, defensively. Hard to argue really. Consider Whitaker was gettin waxed around by Hurtado about 36 fights in, Floyd hasn't shown that sort of vulnerability yet.
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Old 04-06-2012, 11:22 AM
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Old 04-06-2012, 11:30 AM
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:lol: But his legs are shot?
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Old 04-06-2012, 11:34 AM
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Floyd has one of the best defences in history, its not really debatable.

I prefer Pernell's and James Toney's plus you also gotta look at the level of comp some of the guys you're comparing him to faced in comparison rather than just calling him the best based on sheer "numbers".

This reminds me of what that Klitard jimmy used to do
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Well ... No choice but to acknowledge him as the best defensive fighter of all time. It's no so bad to live in this era of boxing even though the golden years have passed, we're still witnessing history.
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Old 04-06-2012, 11:41 AM
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Floyd has one of the best defences in history, its not really debatable.

I prefer Pernell's and James Toney's plus you also gotta look at the level of comp some of the guys you're comparing him to faced in comparison rather than just calling him the best based on sheer "numbers".

This reminds me of what that Klitard jimmy used to do
You have to keep level of competition in mind. No sane fan will argue that Floyd isn't ONE of the best defensive fighters ever, but you can't just look at the Compubox stats without factoring who the other contenders for that throne fought.

Speaking of Jimmy, I don't know what the stats are now but we had the Compubox thread before and Vitali had some crazy stats. He might have better stats than Floyd, I'm not sure.

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The guy is a beast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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