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#21
Old 04-05-2012, 12:50 AM
Verstyle
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Points: 78,900,000,603,911.83
Bank: 8,539,178,709,600.98
Total Points: 87,439,179,313,512.81
I too dig the superman look - ABOSWORTH congrats!!! - kadyo Congrats on 38K posts Vers mah homie!!!!!!!! - Chief2ndzOnly! to the big homie - Larryx2011 great lounge poster - RINGG 
interesting/good threads man. - chiguy91 for an atg poster - jazluvr For all your kindness and support - Lorily :lol1: that shyt ain't right and awkward thread - jose830 No Message - MELLY-MEL... 
Thanks bro - BulgariasFinest Welcome back bud - TBear Happy Holidays Verstyle.. - !! AI-Holmes!! No Message - TBear No Message - TBear 
No Message - TBear 40,000 posts! :fing02: - jose830 4 d 40k - led* 40k son - MELLY-MEL... have a great time at the fight tomorrow night! - HUGH JASS 
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1.5 billy is superman?
Nope.........
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#22
Old 04-05-2012, 12:53 AM
Verstyle
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Posts: 40,858
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Points: 78,900,000,603,911.83
Bank: 8,539,178,709,600.98
Total Points: 87,439,179,313,512.81
I too dig the superman look - ABOSWORTH congrats!!! - kadyo Congrats on 38K posts Vers mah homie!!!!!!!! - Chief2ndzOnly! to the big homie - Larryx2011 great lounge poster - RINGG 
interesting/good threads man. - chiguy91 for an atg poster - jazluvr For all your kindness and support - Lorily :lol1: that shyt ain't right and awkward thread - jose830 No Message - MELLY-MEL... 
Thanks bro - BulgariasFinest Welcome back bud - TBear Happy Holidays Verstyle.. - !! AI-Holmes!! No Message - TBear No Message - TBear 
No Message - TBear 40,000 posts! :fing02: - jose830 4 d 40k - led* 40k son - MELLY-MEL... have a great time at the fight tomorrow night! - HUGH JASS 
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1.3 billion is The Bringer (9 different letters)
Bingo!!!
1.3 billion, karma and I'll change my usertitle to anything
you want for 4 days.(as long as it's not bannable)
Opposite of a person that receives things- A bringer
Injured body parts- Avatar has a bloody hand
9 letter in username- The Bringer
Been a member for over 5 years- Member since


Ok, what do you want my usertitle to be?
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Damn, dude. I just saw your points. You hit the jackpot. Hahaha

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#23
Old 04-05-2012, 12:57 AM
Verstyle
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Points: 78,900,000,603,911.83
Bank: 8,539,178,709,600.98
Total Points: 87,439,179,313,512.81
I too dig the superman look - ABOSWORTH congrats!!! - kadyo Congrats on 38K posts Vers mah homie!!!!!!!! - Chief2ndzOnly! to the big homie - Larryx2011 great lounge poster - RINGG 
interesting/good threads man. - chiguy91 for an atg poster - jazluvr For all your kindness and support - Lorily :lol1: that shyt ain't right and awkward thread - jose830 No Message - MELLY-MEL... 
Thanks bro - BulgariasFinest Welcome back bud - TBear Happy Holidays Verstyle.. - !! AI-Holmes!! No Message - TBear No Message - TBear 
No Message - TBear 40,000 posts! :fing02: - jose830 4 d 40k - led* 40k son - MELLY-MEL... have a great time at the fight tomorrow night! - HUGH JASS 
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1.5 bill...

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Nope.......
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#24
Old 04-05-2012, 12:59 AM
Verstyle
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Rep Power: 21566 Verstyle has a reputation beyond reputeVerstyle has a reputation beyond reputeVerstyle has a reputation beyond reputeVerstyle has a reputation beyond reputeVerstyle has a reputation beyond reputeVerstyle has a reputation beyond reputeVerstyle has a reputation beyond reputeVerstyle has a reputation beyond reputeVerstyle has a reputation beyond reputeVerstyle has a reputation beyond reputeVerstyle has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 78,900,000,603,911.83
Bank: 8,539,178,709,600.98
Total Points: 87,439,179,313,512.81
I too dig the superman look - ABOSWORTH congrats!!! - kadyo Congrats on 38K posts Vers mah homie!!!!!!!! - Chief2ndzOnly! to the big homie - Larryx2011 great lounge poster - RINGG 
interesting/good threads man. - chiguy91 for an atg poster - jazluvr For all your kindness and support - Lorily :lol1: that shyt ain't right and awkward thread - jose830 No Message - MELLY-MEL... 
Thanks bro - BulgariasFinest Welcome back bud - TBear Happy Holidays Verstyle.. - !! AI-Holmes!! No Message - TBear No Message - TBear 
No Message - TBear 40,000 posts! :fing02: - jose830 4 d 40k - led* 40k son - MELLY-MEL... have a great time at the fight tomorrow night! - HUGH JASS 
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Jack gets another 100 million for my mistake. It was 10 letter in Bringer. And the rest of you guys are all wrong.
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Old 04-05-2012, 01:05 AM
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#26
Old 04-05-2012, 01:08 AM
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Bingo!!!
1.3 billion, karma and I'll change my usertitle to anything
you want for 4 days.(as long as it's not bannable)
Opposite of a person that receives things- A bringer
Injured body parts- Avatar has a bloody hand
9 letter in username- The Bringer
Been a member for over 5 years- Member since


Ok, what do you want my usertitle to be?
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Damn, dude. I just saw your points. You hit the jackpot. Hahaha
just change it to "Versatile Whore"
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Old 04-05-2012, 01:12 AM
Verstyle
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Points: 78,900,000,603,911.83
Bank: 8,539,178,709,600.98
Total Points: 87,439,179,313,512.81
I too dig the superman look - ABOSWORTH congrats!!! - kadyo Congrats on 38K posts Vers mah homie!!!!!!!! - Chief2ndzOnly! to the big homie - Larryx2011 great lounge poster - RINGG 
interesting/good threads man. - chiguy91 for an atg poster - jazluvr For all your kindness and support - Lorily :lol1: that shyt ain't right and awkward thread - jose830 No Message - MELLY-MEL... 
Thanks bro - BulgariasFinest Welcome back bud - TBear Happy Holidays Verstyle.. - !! AI-Holmes!! No Message - TBear No Message - TBear 
No Message - TBear 40,000 posts! :fing02: - jose830 4 d 40k - led* 40k son - MELLY-MEL... have a great time at the fight tomorrow night! - HUGH JASS 
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just change it to "Versatile Whore"
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Haha. Cool.
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Old 04-05-2012, 01:19 AM
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Old 04-05-2012, 01:19 AM
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1.5 billion, karma and I'll change my avatar and sig to anything you want for 4 days straight(as long as it's not bannable)

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Old 04-05-2012, 01:26 AM
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Points: 78,900,000,603,911.83
Bank: 8,539,178,709,600.98
Total Points: 87,439,179,313,512.81
I too dig the superman look - ABOSWORTH congrats!!! - kadyo Congrats on 38K posts Vers mah homie!!!!!!!! - Chief2ndzOnly! to the big homie - Larryx2011 great lounge poster - RINGG 
interesting/good threads man. - chiguy91 for an atg poster - jazluvr For all your kindness and support - Lorily :lol1: that shyt ain't right and awkward thread - jose830 No Message - MELLY-MEL... 
Thanks bro - BulgariasFinest Welcome back bud - TBear Happy Holidays Verstyle.. - !! AI-Holmes!! No Message - TBear No Message - TBear 
No Message - TBear 40,000 posts! :fing02: - jose830 4 d 40k - led* 40k son - MELLY-MEL... have a great time at the fight tomorrow night! - HUGH JASS 
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