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Old 04-03-2012, 05:06 PM
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Default (POLL) Agree or Disagree: ESPN/Dan Rafael's 154 lb Rankings?

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...dan&id=6402207

154 is my favorite division right now, so I try to stay in tune with how different ranking systems view JMW.

So, I was browsing ESPN's rankings and came across Rafael's rankings at 154:


1. Miguel Cotto (37-2)
2. Sergei Dzinziruk (37-1)
3. Saul "Canelo" Alvarez (39-0-1)
4. Cornelius "K9" Bundrage (31-4)
5. Erislandy Lara (15-1-1)
6. Paul Williams (41-2)
7. Carlos Molina (19-5-2)
8. Austin Trout (24-0)
9. Vanes Martirosyan (32-0)
10. James Kirkland (31-1)


Do you agree or disagree. If you disagree, how would your rankings go?
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Old 04-03-2012, 05:12 PM
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It's such a difficult division to rank cause no one has fought eachother really.

If you include past achievments and overall stock I can see Cotto being 1.

If you're basing it on what they've done at the weight then you gotta have like Kirkland or someone at 1.
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Old 04-03-2012, 05:17 PM
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Canelo in reality should be near the bottom ten. What has he really done? Williams, Lara, Molina, and Kirkland all have better resumes at 154. They are actually fighting each other.
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Old 04-03-2012, 05:19 PM
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Canelo in reality should be near the bottom ten. What has he really done? Williams, Lara, Molina, and Kirkland all have better resumes at 154. They are actually fighting each other.
cintron and rhodes were both top 5 jr middleweights when he beat them

kirkland has 1 top ten win with angulo so he can't be ahead of alvarez
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Old 04-03-2012, 05:20 PM
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http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...dan&id=6402207

154 is my favorite division right now, so I try to stay in tune with how different ranking systems view JMW.

So, I was browsing ESPN's rankings and came across Rafael's rankings at 154:


1. Miguel Cotto (37-2)
2. Sergei Dzinziruk (37-1)
3. Saul "Canelo" Alvarez (39-0-1)
4. Cornelius "K9" Bundrage (31-4)
5. Erislandy Lara (15-1-1)
6. Paul Williams (41-2)
7. Carlos Molina (19-5-2)
8. Austin Trout (24-0)
9. Vanes Martirosyan (32-0)
10. James Kirkland (31-1)


Do you agree or disagree. If you disagree, how would your rankings go?
Notice how your boy kirkland is at the bottom
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Old 04-03-2012, 05:21 PM
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Yeah Dan is pretty much right on the money here.
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Old 04-03-2012, 05:22 PM
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As a matter of principle, I absolutely disagree with every opinion Dan Rafael holds.
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Old 04-03-2012, 05:22 PM
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cintron and rhodes were both top 5 jr middleweights when he beat them

kirkland has 1 top ten win with angulo so he can't be ahead of alvarez
No one thought they were great opponents, and they weren't. All 4 guys I mentioned have better resumes.
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Old 04-03-2012, 05:23 PM
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Dan Rafael has one of the worst rankings in all of boxing rankings.

At 154, I like fightnews rankings. Just disagree where they have Molina at. Boxingscene rankings overall are the best rankings IMO. Better than The Ring rankings.
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Old 04-03-2012, 05:27 PM
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No one thought they were great opponents, and they weren't. All 4 guys I mentioned have better resumes.
what's kirkland's resume? angulo and ???????? that's right nothing nada zip except for the 1 round TKO ass whupping by Ishida who as you said ''isn't all that great'' molina is the ONLY one of the three you mentioned that has a better resume
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