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Lem's latest: Kirkland's surgery; Alvarez's plans after Mosley
by Lem Satterfield
Apr 2nd, 2012




Southpaw junior middleweight James Kirkland is recovering after Monday's approximately 45 minute-long surgery to repair two tears in his jab arm -- the right shoulder -- following his controversial, HBO-televised 10th-round disqualification victory over Carlos Molina on March 24 at the Reliant Arena in Houston, Tex.

"Everything went fine. There were no surprises. The doctor was able to do the two cuts and the little tears pretty easily," said attorney Michael Miller, Kirkland's co-manager with Cameron Dunkin.

Miller said that the operation was conducted by San Antonio-based general orthopedist, Dr. Philip M. Jacobs, a shoulder and sports medicine specialist with the San Antonio Orthopaedic Group.

"They were clean cuts and not jagged, so Dr. Jacobs said that he'll see James back in a week. Everything went as expected."

"Back when we first saw him, last week, he said that James would be two to three weeks in a sling, and then two to two-and-a-half months of physical therapy."


Jacobs diagnosed the injury to Kirkland (30-1-1, 27 knockouts) following an MRI on March 27 which found the connection between Kirkland's ligaments and his shoulder to be "very loose."

"You will notice that he didn't throw many jabs at all against Molina. He was way off," said Miller. "So this may explain a little bit why he couldn't keep Molina off of him and why he wasn't pushing him back and that kind of thing."

Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer praised Kirkland's effort against Molina.

"Anybody else would have probably quit on the stool or would not have fought," said Schaefer, who promotes Kirkland. "We really have to hand it to him for being a true, mondern-day gladiator. So everything is good, and he'll just move on."

Molina's promoter, Leon Margules, president of Warriors Boxing Promotions, has filed an appeal with the Texas Department of Licensing and Regulation seeking to change Kirkland's victory over Molina into a no-contest or a no-decision, he told ******.com on Tuesday.

Referee Jon Schorle disqualified Molina in response to his cornerman briefly hopping into the ring after a round-ending bell sounded almost at the same instant that Kirkland knocked Molina down. The intrusion briefly halted Schorle's 10-count, which resumed as a standing eight.

In response to the infraction, Schorle directed Molina's cornerman, Lou Askennette, to leave the ring, held a brief discussion at ringside with commission representative Greg Alvarez and WBC supervisor Craig Hubble, and then turned and waved off the fight.

Kirkland trailed Molina on two of the three judges' cards at the time, although most observers felt that the one card in Kirkland's favor was, in itself, controversial.

Kirkland's previous fight was November's come-from-behind, sixth-round knockout of Alfredo Angulo, against whom he was floored 30 seconds into the bout only to drop Angulo just before the bell ending the same round. Angulo was knocked out for the first time in his career.


COULD KIRKLAND'S FUTURE INCLUDE WBC TITLEHOLDER SAUL ALVAREZ?

Following his recovery, Miller said he would like to match Kirkland opposite WBC junior middleweight beltholder Saul "Canelo" Alvarez (30-9-1, 29 KOs), who must first get beyond a defense against former titleholder Shane Mosley (46-7-1, 39 KOs) on the undercard of Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Miguel Cotto on May 5.

"They're talking about maybe Canelo. I don't mind talking about that. That would be great. We would love to fight Canelo, but obviously Canelo's got to get past Mosley," said Miller, referring to conversations he said that he had with Schaefer.

"But Richard called me last week. He said, 'I hear that James is going to have surgery, etc., but when do you think that he might be ready to do a Kirkland-Canelo show maybe in September?' We just hope that he gets back soon and gets back into training as soon as possible."

Ask about other potential opponents, Miller denied reports that southpaw Paul Williams (41-2, 27 KOs) was ever a serious consideration to face Kirkland.

"No, we're not going to fight Paul Williams. They can write whatever they want, but he was never in any consideration," said Miller. "His name had come up, but we had turned him down. He's nobody that I'm interested in James fighting."

A former two-time welterweight titlewinner, Williams is coming off February's Showtime-televised victory over Japan's Nobuhiro Ishida, who had scored a sensational first-round knockout of Kirkland in April.

Wiliams jumpstarted his career by defeating Ishida after having suffered a second-round knockout loss to RING middleweight champion Sergio Martinez in November 2010, followed by a disputed majority decision over Erislandy Lara that many ringsiders thought Williams had lost.



ALVAREZ EYES SEPT 15 RETURN AFTER MOSLEY

Alvarez will be back in the ring, win or lose, on Sept. 15, said Schaefer.

"One thing is for sure is that Canelo is going to return on Sept. 15," said Schaefer. "If Mosley would win, then we would do a rematch on Sept. 15 as well."

Alvarez, who is 21, has also expressed the desire to face the Mayweather-Cotto winner if he is victorious against Mosley, who is 40.

"They are two of the best," said Alvarez. "I would want to fight either one."
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Old 04-02-2012, 10:22 PM
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Lem's latest: Kirkland's surgery; Alvarez's plans after Mosley
by Lem Satterfield
Apr 2nd, 2012




Southpaw junior middleweight James Kirkland is recovering after Monday's approximately 45 minute-long surgery to repair two tears in his jab arm -- the right shoulder -- following his controversial, HBO-televised 10th-round disqualification victory over Carlos Molina on March 24 at the Reliant Arena in Houston, Tex.

"Everything went fine. There were no surprises. The doctor was able to do the two cuts and the little tears pretty easily," said attorney Michael Miller, Kirkland's co-manager with Cameron Dunkin.

Miller said that the operation was conducted by San Antonio-based general orthopedist, Dr. Philip M. Jacobs, a shoulder and sports medicine specialist with the San Antonio Orthopaedic Group.

"They were clean cuts and not jagged, so Dr. Jacobs said that he'll see James back in a week. Everything went as expected."

"Back when we first saw him, last week, he said that James would be two to three weeks in a sling, and then two to two-and-a-half months of physical therapy."


Jacobs diagnosed the injury to Kirkland (30-1-1, 27 knockouts) following an MRI on March 27 which found the connection between Kirkland's ligaments and his shoulder to be "very loose."

"You will notice that he didn't throw many jabs at all against Molina. He was way off," said Miller. "So this may explain a little bit why he couldn't keep Molina off of him and why he wasn't pushing him back and that kind of thing."

Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer praised Kirkland's effort against Molina.

"Anybody else would have probably quit on the stool or would not have fought," said Schaefer, who promotes Kirkland. "We really have to hand it to him for being a true, mondern-day gladiator. So everything is good, and he'll just move on."

Molina's promoter, Leon Margules, president of Warriors Boxing Promotions, has filed an appeal with the Texas Department of Licensing and Regulation seeking to change Kirkland's victory over Molina into a no-contest or a no-decision, he told ******.com on Tuesday.

Referee Jon Schorle disqualified Molina in response to his cornerman briefly hopping into the ring after a round-ending bell sounded almost at the same instant that Kirkland knocked Molina down. The intrusion briefly halted Schorle's 10-count, which resumed as a standing eight.

In response to the infraction, Schorle directed Molina's cornerman, Lou Askennette, to leave the ring, held a brief discussion at ringside with commission representative Greg Alvarez and WBC supervisor Craig Hubble, and then turned and waved off the fight.

Kirkland trailed Molina on two of the three judges' cards at the time, although most observers felt that the one card in Kirkland's favor was, in itself, controversial.

Kirkland's previous fight was November's come-from-behind, sixth-round knockout of Alfredo Angulo, against whom he was floored 30 seconds into the bout only to drop Angulo just before the bell ending the same round. Angulo was knocked out for the first time in his career.


COULD KIRKLAND'S FUTURE INCLUDE WBC TITLEHOLDER SAUL ALVAREZ?

Following his recovery, Miller said he would like to match Kirkland opposite WBC junior middleweight beltholder Saul "Canelo" Alvarez (30-9-1, 29 KOs), who must first get beyond a defense against former titleholder Shane Mosley (46-7-1, 39 KOs) on the undercard of Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Miguel Cotto on May 5.

"They're talking about maybe Canelo. I don't mind talking about that. That would be great. We would love to fight Canelo, but obviously Canelo's got to get past Mosley," said Miller, referring to conversations he said that he had with Schaefer.

"But Richard called me last week. He said, 'I hear that James is going to have surgery, etc., but when do you think that he might be ready to do a Kirkland-Canelo show maybe in September?' We just hope that he gets back soon and gets back into training as soon as possible."

Ask about other potential opponents, Miller denied reports that southpaw Paul Williams (41-2, 27 KOs) was ever a serious consideration to face Kirkland.

"No, we're not going to fight Paul Williams. They can write whatever they want, but he was never in any consideration," said Miller. "His name had come up, but we had turned him down. He's nobody that I'm interested in James fighting."

A former two-time welterweight titlewinner, Williams is coming off February's Showtime-televised victory over Japan's Nobuhiro Ishida, who had scored a sensational first-round knockout of Kirkland in April.

Wiliams jumpstarted his career by defeating Ishida after having suffered a second-round knockout loss to RING middleweight champion Sergio Martinez in November 2010, followed by a disputed majority decision over Erislandy Lara that many ringsiders thought Williams had lost.



ALVAREZ EYES SEPT 15 RETURN AFTER MOSLEY

Alvarez will be back in the ring, win or lose, on Sept. 15, said Schaefer.

"One thing is for sure is that Canelo is going to return on Sept. 15," said Schaefer. "If Mosley would win, then we would do a rematch on Sept. 15 as well."

Alvarez, who is 21, has also expressed the desire to face the Mayweather-Cotto winner if he is victorious against Mosley, who is 40.

"They are two of the best," said Alvarez. "I would want to fight either one."
is he duckin williams? the guy who dominated the guy who ko'ed kirk
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It looks like my "look like shi t, in order to get a fight with Canelo" theory is right afterall.

Oh well, I'll take it how I can get it.

I hope he hurries up and beats Mosley so the real 154 lb champ can be crowned; Kirkland.
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It looks like my "look like shi t, in order to get a fight with Canelo" theory is right afterall.

Oh well, I'll take it how I can get it.

I hope he hurries up and beats Mosley so the real 154 lb champ can be crowned; Kirkland.
wouldnt mind someone beatin young ginger,,BUT i think even then if kirk beat the brakes off canelo,, the public DEMAND for a molina-kirkland would be to high and molina wins the rematch
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Wasn't aware Canelo had 9 losses

Did that just read Kirkland turned down Williams or the other way around? I'll be surprised if they fight Canelo. Also surprised they didn't mention Bundrage who they were talking about from the first day after he "won" or Lara who called out the winner.
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wouldnt mind someone beatin young ginger,,BUT i think even then if kirk beat the brakes off canelo,, the public DEMAND for a molina-kirkland would be to high and molina wins the rematch
Here's the thing Angel.

We've already seen what happens to Molina when he doesn't clinch.

How many times was Molina saved while being seriously hurt by hanging on Kirk like a linebacker stopping a running back from crossing the goal line?

The public can demand Molina-Kirk all they want, but if Molina fights Kirk like he fought Chavez Jr/Cintron (no clinching every 5 seconds), he won't see the final bell.

Lastly, lol @ the public wanting anything to do with Molina. Who wants to see 118 clinches before the 10th round again?
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It looks like my "look like shi t, in order to get a fight with Canelo" theory is right afterall.

Oh well, I'll take it how I can get it.

I hope he hurries up and beats Mosley so the real 154 lb champ can be crowned; Kirkland.
First of all that wasn't your theory.

Second, I doubt Canelo still fights his ass. But, I'm pretty sure after how Kirkland look they would be more willing to do so than before.
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Here's the thing Angel.

We've already seen what happens to Molina when he doesn't clinch.

How many times was Molina saved while being seriously hurt by hanging on Kirk like a linebacker stopping a running back from crossing the goal line?

The public can demand Molina-Kirk all they want, but if Molina fights Kirk like he fought Chavez Jr/Cintron (no clinching every 5 seconds), he won't see the final bell.

Lastly, lol @ the public wanting anything to do with Molina. Who wants to see 118 clinches before the 10th round again?
I doubt that the "general" public wants a Kirkland-Molina rematch.

But, I personally wouldn't mind a Kirkland-Molina rematch.

However, I'm also willing to have a Molina-Lara rematch first while Kirkland gets a title from either Bundrage or Canelo.

Making a Molina-Kirland rematch a title match. Which makes it a bigger fight.

And, I disagree with 27, I think Molina is craftier and smarter than Kirkland. And, that can help him beat Kirkland. Then again Kirkland can beat him as well. It depends on how the fight goes. These 2 are the 3 at 154 along with Lara. Even fights if you mix and match those 3.
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Southpaw junior middleweight James Kirkland is recovering after Monday's approximately 45 minute-long surgery to repair two tears in his jab arm -- the right shoulder -- following his controversial, HBO-televised 10th-round disqualification victory over Carlos Molina on March 24 at the Reliant Arena in Houston, Tex.

"Everything went fine. There were no surprises. The doctor was able to do the two cuts and the little tears pretty easily," said attorney Michael Miller, Kirkland's co-manager with Cameron Dunkin.

Miller said that the operation was conducted by San Antonio-based general orthopedist, Dr. Philip M. Jacobs, a shoulder and sports medicine specialist with the San Antonio Orthopaedic Group.

"They were clean cuts and not jagged, so Dr. Jacobs said that he'll see James back in a week. Everything went as expected."

"Back when we first saw him, last week, he said that James would be two to three weeks in a sling, and then two to two-and-a-half months of physical therapy."


Jacobs diagnosed the injury to Kirkland (30-1-1, 27 knockouts) following an MRI on March 27 which found the connection between Kirkland's ligaments and his shoulder to be "very loose."

"You will notice that he didn't throw many jabs at all against Molina. He was way off," said Miller. "So this may explain a little bit why he couldn't keep Molina off of him and why he wasn't pushing him back and that kind of thing."

Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer praised Kirkland's effort against Molina.

"Anybody else would have probably quit on the stool or would not have fought," said Schaefer, who promotes Kirkland. "We really have to hand it to him for being a true, mondern-day gladiator. So everything is good, and he'll just move on."

Molina's promoter, Leon Margules, president of Warriors Boxing Promotions, has filed an appeal with the Texas Department of Licensing and Regulation seeking to change Kirkland's victory over Molina into a no-contest or a no-decision, he told ******.com on Tuesday.

Referee Jon Schorle disqualified Molina in response to his cornerman briefly hopping into the ring after a round-ending bell sounded almost at the same instant that Kirkland knocked Molina down. The intrusion briefly halted Schorle's 10-count, which resumed as a standing eight.

In response to the infraction, Schorle directed Molina's cornerman, Lou Askennette, to leave the ring, held a brief discussion at ringside with commission representative Greg Alvarez and WBC supervisor Craig Hubble, and then turned and waved off the fight.

Kirkland trailed Molina on two of the three judges' cards at the time, although most observers felt that the one card in Kirkland's favor was, in itself, controversial.

Kirkland's previous fight was November's come-from-behind, sixth-round knockout of Alfredo Angulo, against whom he was floored 30 seconds into the bout only to drop Angulo just before the bell ending the same round. Angulo was knocked out for the first time in his career.


COULD KIRKLAND'S FUTURE INCLUDE WBC TITLEHOLDER SAUL ALVAREZ?

Following his recovery, Miller said he would like to match Kirkland opposite WBC junior middleweight beltholder Saul "Canelo" Alvarez (30-9-1, 29 KOs), who must first get beyond a defense against former titleholder Shane Mosley (46-7-1, 39 KOs) on the undercard of Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Miguel Cotto on May 5.

"They're talking about maybe Canelo. I don't mind talking about that. That would be great. We would love to fight Canelo, but obviously Canelo's got to get past Mosley," said Miller, referring to conversations he said that he had with Schaefer.

"But Richard called me last week. He said, 'I hear that James is going to have surgery, etc., but when do you think that he might be ready to do a Kirkland-Canelo show maybe in September?' We just hope that he gets back soon and gets back into training as soon as possible."

Ask about other potential opponents, Miller denied reports that southpaw Paul Williams (41-2, 27 KOs) was ever a serious consideration to face Kirkland.

"No, we're not going to fight Paul Williams. They can write whatever they want, but he was never in any consideration," said Miller. "His name had come up, but we had turned him down. He's nobody that I'm interested in James fighting."

A former two-time welterweight titlewinner, Williams is coming off February's Showtime-televised victory over Japan's Nobuhiro Ishida, who had scored a sensational first-round knockout of Kirkland in April.

Wiliams jumpstarted his career by defeating Ishida after having suffered a second-round knockout loss to RING middleweight champion Sergio Martinez in November 2010, followed by a disputed majority decision over Erislandy Lara that many ringsiders thought Williams had lost.



ALVAREZ EYES SEPT 15 RETURN AFTER MOSLEY

Alvarez will be back in the ring, win or lose, on Sept. 15, said Schaefer.

"One thing is for sure is that Canelo is going to return on Sept. 15," said Schaefer. "If Mosley would win, then we would do a rematch on Sept. 15 as well."

Alvarez, who is 21, has also expressed the desire to face the Mayweather-Cotto winner if he is victorious against Mosley, who is 40.

"They are two of the best," said Alvarez. "I would want to fight either one."

i think we see a bundrage-kirkland
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First of all that wasn't your theory.

Second, I doubt Canelo still fights his ass. But, I'm pretty sure after how Kirkland look they would be more willing to do so than before.
How wasn't it my theory?

I said "should guys start losing on purpose to get a fight with Canelo".

Granted Kirkland didn't lose, but he basically won by default and some think he looked like shi t, not considering the circumstances (clinching + injury).

Either way, my theory still holds. How does it not? Because Kirkland won by BS DQ?
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