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Old 04-01-2012, 12:29 PM
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I was about to post a thread similiar to this.

Is Freddie Roach really the trainer people make him to be? Or does he grab naturally skilled/athletic boxers that make him look good?

For example, let's look at Khan and Linares.

How much has Khan really improved? He has no inside game and he let's himself get caught on the ropes while his strength is in the middle of the ring.

Now Linares, how much did he improve from the DeMarco fight from last night? Just like Khan, he let himself get caught on the ropes and couldn't get out without taking a beating and eventually was KDed. He was caught in exchanges he shouldn't have knowing how bad he cuts and how weak his chin is.

Now some may mention well Pacquiao improved drastically while under Roach and that I cannot argue :P.
Linares was KO'd in 1 round before he hooked up with Roach. I think the guy is just chinny. His technique is fine but he can't take a punch that well.

Khan has improve a lot since getting wobbled/dropped by bums and KO'd by Prescott. Now he still has a number of holes in his game, the inside fighting he needs work like you pointed out, but overall he's improved.

We should even talk about Chavez, who my god he looked terrible before roach. But he did improved. Now there is a limit to how good chavez will ever be, maybe he's peaked right now, but compare chavez now to chavez fighting Matt Vanda for example.

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Old 04-01-2012, 12:33 PM
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Roach never really has a plan b..... His fighters dont adapt too well, i like pac but he faced guys made for his style till mosley showed his flaw. Khan is talented with good height but struggles with good inside fighters. Roaches instructions inbetween rounds isnt that great as well.
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Old 04-01-2012, 12:56 PM
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World Champions trained by Roach:

Brian Viloria
James Toney
Mike Tyson
Bernard Hopkins
Michael Moorer

Virgil Hill
Frankie Liles
Marlon Starling
Oscar De La Hoya
Guillermo Rigondeaux

Johnny Bredahl
Amir Khan
Gerry Peñalosa
Manny Pacquiao
Bernard Dunne

Steve Collins
O'Neil Bell
Israel Vasquez
Julio César Chávez, Jr.
Wayne McCullough

Roman Karmazin
Dimitri Kirilov
Jorge Linares
Wladimir Klitschko

Also trained multi world champion and ATG female boxer Lucia Rijker

As well as a host of top UFC fighters on their boxing skills.
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Old 04-01-2012, 01:15 PM
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World Champions trained by Roach:

Brian Viloria
James Toney
Mike Tyson
Bernard Hopkins
Michael Moorer

Virgil Hill
Frankie Liles
Marlon Starling
Oscar De La Hoya
Guillermo Rigondeaux

Johnny Bredahl
Amir Khan
Gerry Peñalosa
Manny Pacquiao
Bernard Dunne

Steve Collins
O'Neil Bell
Israel Vasquez
Julio César Chávez, Jr.
Wayne McCullough

Roman Karmazin
Dimitri Kirilov
Jorge Linares
Wladimir Klitschko

Also trained multi world champion and ATG female boxer Lucia Rijker

As well as a host of top UFC fighters on their boxing skills.
And how many of those guys has he trained from scratch?
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Old 04-01-2012, 02:34 PM
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World Champions trained by Roach:

Brian Viloria
James Toney
Mike Tyson
Bernard Hopkins
Michael Moorer

Virgil Hill
Frankie Liles
Marlon Starling
Oscar De La Hoya
Guillermo Rigondeaux

Johnny Bredahl
Amir Khan
Gerry Peñalosa
Manny Pacquiao
Bernard Dunne

Steve Collins
O'Neil Bell
Israel Vasquez
Julio César Chávez, Jr.
Wayne McCullough

Roman Karmazin
Dimitri Kirilov
Jorge Linares
Wladimir Klitschko

Also trained multi world champion and ATG female boxer Lucia Rijker

As well as a host of top UFC fighters on their boxing skills.
When did he train Rigondeaux?
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Old 04-01-2012, 02:39 PM
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He was with Roach at the beginning and left him immediately after like 1 fight. So I don't really consider Rigo a world champ under/cause of Roach.

Btw I rather be like Roger Mayweather and have someone like Floyd in my stable of champions than have a stacked stable and not be able to devote my full attention to each one of them. Cause seriously, Linares sure as hell did not look like he got any time from Roach.

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Old 04-01-2012, 02:41 PM
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Freddie is a good trainer, not great like people make him out to be. Yes, I think he's overrated. The only thing I've seen him improve his fighters on is offense.
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Old 04-01-2012, 02:45 PM
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Yea let's take the words from some dude on a boxing forum to tell a pro trainer that he's doing his job wrong lol!! Anyone who thinks they can do a Better job go prove me wrong.
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Old 04-01-2012, 02:46 PM
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Yea let's take the words from some dude on a boxing forum to tell a pro trainer that he's doing his job wrong lol!! Anyone who thinks they can do a Better job go prove me wrong.

Obviously something is wrong when only 1 fighter in your stable is winning and the others who don't have the same body structure or attributes are losing to 'lesser' fighters.
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Old 04-01-2012, 02:56 PM
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World Champions trained by Roach:

Brian Viloria
James Toney
Mike Tyson
Bernard Hopkins
Michael Moorer

Virgil Hill
Frankie Liles
Marlon Starling
Oscar De La Hoya
Guillermo Rigondeaux

Johnny Bredahl
Amir Khan
Gerry Peñalosa
Manny Pacquiao
Bernard Dunne

Steve Collins
O'Neil Bell
Israel Vasquez
Julio César Chávez, Jr.
Wayne McCullough

Roman Karmazin
Dimitri Kirilov
Jorge Linares
Wladimir Klitschko

Also trained multi world champion and ATG female boxer Lucia Rijker

As well as a host of top UFC fighters on their boxing skills.
And the majority of those fighters left Roach for other trainers. Rigondeux prolly was like WTF am I doing with this guy and left his ass and never looked back.
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