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Old 03-03-2012, 06:43 PM
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Default People Aren't Smart Enough for Democracy to Flourish, Scientists Say

By Natalie Wolchover | LiveScience.com – Tue, Feb 28, 2012


The democratic process relies on the assumption that citizens (the majority of them, at least) can recognize the best political candidate, or best policy idea, when they see it. But a growing body of research has revealed an unfortunate aspect of the human psyche that would seem to disprove this notion, and imply instead that democratic elections produce mediocre leadership and policies.
The research, led by David Dunning, a psychologist at Cornell University, shows that incompetent people are inherently unable to judge the competence of other people, or the quality of those people's ideas. For example, if people lack expertise on tax reform, it is very difficult for them to identify the candidates who are actual experts. They simply lack the mental tools needed to make meaningful judgments.
As a result, no amount of information or facts about political candidates can override the inherent inability of many voters to accurately evaluate them. On top of that, "very smart ideas are going to be hard for people to adopt, because most people don’t have the sophistication to recognize how good an idea is," Dunning told Life's Little Mysteries.
He and colleague Justin Kruger, formerly of Cornell and now of New York University, have demonstrated again and again that people are self-delusional when it comes to their own intellectual skills. Whether the researchers are testing people's ability to rate the funniness of jokes, the correctness of grammar, or even their own performance in a game of chess, the duo has found that people always assess their own performance as "above average" — even people who, when tested, actually perform at the very bottom of the pile. [Incompetent People Too Ignorant to Know It]
We're just as undiscerning about the skills of others as about ourselves. "To the extent that you are incompetent, you are a worse judge of incompetence in other people," Dunning said. In one study, the researchers asked students to grade quizzes that tested for grammar skill. "We found that students who had done worse on the test itself gave more inaccurate grades to other students." Essentially, they didn't recognize the correct answer even when they saw it.
The reason for this disconnect is simple: "If you have gaps in your knowledge in a given area, then you’re not in a position to assess your own gaps or the gaps of others," Dunning said. Strangely though, in these experiments, people tend to readily and accurately agree on who the worst performers are, while failing to recognize the best performers.
The most incompetent among us serve as canaries in the coal mine signifying a larger quandary in the concept of democracy; truly ignorant people may be the worst judges of candidates and ideas, Dunning said, but we all suffer from a degree of blindness stemming from our own personal lack of expertise.
Mato Nagel, a sociologist in Germany, recently implemented Dunning and Kruger's theories by computer-simulating a democratic election. In his mathematical model of the election, he assumed that voters' own leadership skills were distributed on a bell curve — some were really good leaders, some, really bad, but most were mediocre — and that each voter was incapable of recognizing the leadership skills of a political candidate as being better than his or her own. When such an election was simulated, candidates whose leadership skills were only slightly better than average always won.
Nagel concluded that democracies rarely or never elect the best leaders. Their advantage over dictatorships or other forms of government is merely that they "effectively prevent lower-than-average candidates from becoming leaders."
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Nagel concluded that democracies rarely or never elect the best leaders. Their advantage over dictatorships or other forms of government is merely that they "effectively prevent lower-than-average candidates from becoming leaders."

Works for me.
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Old 03-03-2012, 06:49 PM
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Nagel concluded that democracies rarely or never elect the best leaders. Their advantage over dictatorships or other forms of government is merely that they "effectively prevent lower-than-average candidates from becoming leaders."

Works for me.
Isn't that a bit irresponsible? Should we not aim higher than average?

Also, does that mean you are 100% satisfied with current political climate worldwide?
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Old 03-03-2012, 08:27 PM
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Great article. I see that you are trying to highlight the root of the problem which starts with the voters. Some people just like to shout " politicians are all corrupt, etc." They act as if the voters should not be blamed for electing the same "non-performing" politicians.
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Old 03-03-2012, 09:06 PM
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Great article. I see that you are trying to highlight the root of the problem which starts with the voters. Some people just like to shout " politicians are all corrupt, etc." They act as if the voters should not be blamed for electing the same "non-performing" politicians.
yes sir and even beyond that, our education system needs to be reformed. The education I got a public high school 20 minutes from our Nation's capital was so bad I can't even describe it. It would take an essay to explain.

If all I ever believed was what I learned there and saw on TV, I would be a complete fool. Looking back, they barely taught us anything and what they did teach was like, they designed it so more kids would pass the tests and get out of the overcrowded school
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Great article. I see that you are trying to highlight the root of the problem which starts with the voters. Some people just like to shout " politicians are all corrupt, etc." They act as if the voters should not be blamed for electing the same "non-performing" politicians.
The people are to blame for letting elected officials usurp national constitutional laws and principals.

It would be somewhat good to return the power back to the people. BUT! The constitution has been nullified, and the rights and powers originally intended to be under the people's control is now with the ruling authority.
A complete reversal of the dictates implied by the constitution.

It is too late for the so-called voters to do anything to change the CURRENT political climate, short of total revolution and an uprising against tyranny.

The statement "People aren't smart enough for democracy to flourish" is accurate, but conditional. No one is asking the question "SHOULD DEMOCRACY FLOURISH" for if democracy leads to corruption and a political system that serves itself, rather than the people, then it is just as evil as those who come to govern within it.

IMHO, a Monarchy is quite possibly the best way to rule a nation -- not a Monarchy as we have seen in the past and in other countries, where bloodline dictates ruling lineage but a Monarchy where ascendancy is earned by serving the citizens of the country.

As far as the here and now, in these United States .... we are screwed!!!!!
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One way of confirming that they're not smart enough is that the candidates with the most money and amount of Campaign Ad's always seem to be the ones winning or in the frontrunner status.

Hence why you have Liberals who want Campaign finance reform and public funding. But why blame the money, blame the people for being influenced.

If the elections/voting machines aren't rigged in anyway that is.
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One way of confirming that they're not smart enough is that the candidates with the most money and amount of Campaign Ad's always seem to be the ones winning or in the frontrunner status.
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It's not that the voters are too dumb it's that the system is broken in the first place. It is about money. Who can spend the most money on ads and their campaign and the media eats that ***** up and spits it out, making voters think they can only vote for person A or B. If persons C, D, E never get exposed to the people (lack of money) and are flat out denied the right to debate in our undemocratic system obviously people aren't going to vote for them.

3rd party candidates are shunned from debates & the media in general and the propaganda machine typically labels them as either crazy or spoilers, the latter was the case of Ralph Nader who at one point (when Kerry was running), 35% of american's said they would vote for him if they thought he could win, but the media kept saying over and over he's just stealing votes, thus no one voted for him. Ironically if those same 35% of people voted for him he would have won. Additionally his name wasn't even allowed on the ballot in many states (which only further confirms how undemocratic and broken our system is).

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It's not that the voters are too dumb it's that the system is broken in the first place. It is about money. Who can spend the most money on ads and their campaign and the media eats that ***** up and spits it out, making voters think they can only vote for person A or B. If persons C, D, E never get exposed to the people (lack of money) and are flat out denied the right to debate in our undemocratic system obviously people aren't going to vote for them.

3rd party candidates are shunned from debates & the media in general and the propaganda machine typically labels them as either crazy or spoilers, the latter was the case of Ralph Nader who at one point (when Kerry was running), 35% of american's said they would vote for him if they thought he could win, but the media kept saying over and over he's just stealing votes, thus no one voted for him. Ironically if those same 35% of people voted for him he would have won. Additionally his name wasn't even allowed on the ballot in many states (which only further confirms how undemocratic and broken our system is).
That's a doss. People can inform themselves, , look at google
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the american founding founders sort of thought the same.

hence why we have a representative democracy instead of a direct democracy.
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