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Old 02-20-2012, 12:15 AM
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Post Comments Thread For: 'Fighting Words' – Reports of Demises Greatly Exaggerated

by David P. Greisman - There are the boxers whose careers go on far too long, who take unnecessary punishment, whose risk to their health gets even greater even while the numbers in their paychecks get ever smaller.

And then there are the boxers whose careers need not be done yet — yet we proclaim them to be.

Miguel Cotto is not shot. Paul Williams does not need to retire. The reports of their demises were greatly exaggerated. Cotto is earning millions of dollars in what will be one of the year’s biggest events, a May 5 pay-per-view main event against Floyd Mayweather Jr. Paul Williams, meanwhile, just put on a good performance this past Saturday, winning a unanimous decision over Nobuhiro Ishida, shutting his challenger out across the board, 120-108 on all three scorecards.

Williams’ previous fight — a majority decision victory over Erislandy Lara — wasn’t even over before the HBO commentators calling the bout were also calling for him to retire.

Those commentators watched as Lara socked Williams with clean, hard left hand after clean, hard left hand, the same shot that Sergio Martinez had caught Williams with again and again in December 2009, and the same shot that Martinez knocked Williams out with in November 2010. [Click Here To Read More]
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Old 02-20-2012, 08:18 AM
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Default Can Cotto upset? Shane still sweet? Kid Chocolate win the Wright way?

I would love to see a Cotto upset. If his team can devise a specific strategy against defending against all the illegal elbows from Mayweather and the favoritism he gets from Joe Cortes and the handpicked judges, Miguel has a shot.

Undercard is not as bad as everyone thinks. Sugar Shane is a war horse that will fight til the end. And I'm intrigued to see what Winky has left in his tank. Kid Chocolate needs a knockout to gain any popularity off the most viewed card he has been on.
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Old 02-20-2012, 08:37 AM
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I think nowadays fans are mostly casual and they also show too much favoritism to certain boxers to put down others. Cotto has been through some tough fights but he is still putting his work in so can't really count him out. I think he just didn't make the right decisions when it came to his training and the beef with his uncle. They should have had a plan to beat Margarito soundly the first time but I feel Miguel Cotto was way too arrogant up until that fight. Then it didn't help him much when he didn't have an appropriate experienced trainer for Manny Pacquiao which he definitely needed against Pac. Also I give tremendous props to Cotto for fighting Clottey with one eye because he could have bailed out and still won off of that cut. I never thought Miguel Cotto was any match for Floyd before he lost to Margarito and Pacquiao and even now.

My view on Miguel Cotto has always been consistent. No flip flopping like a lot of people do. Paul Williams can be a great fighter but his style is all wrong for his size. Anyone with a big enough punch will lay him out if they sit down on it. Fighters/boxers lost all the time back in the glory days but some of the greatest boxers are the ones who took some loses. Just cause a fighter/boxer loses don't make him shot or done. But to continue taking beatings can make them that way. It's all about improvements.

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Old 02-20-2012, 10:02 AM
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I would love to see a Cotto upset. If his team can devise a specific strategy against defending against all the illegal elbows from Mayweather and the favoritism he gets from Joe Cortes and the handpicked judges, Miguel has a shot.

Undercard is not as bad as everyone thinks. Sugar Shane is a war horse that will fight til the end. And I'm intrigued to see what Winky has left in his tank. Kid Chocolate needs a knockout to gain any popularity off the most viewed card he has been on.
That fight wasnt signed. They are looking for an opponent for him.
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Old 02-20-2012, 02:40 PM
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Default of course cotto will win

Just compare cotto to Ortiz. Ortiz was starting to dominate just in the 4th round, And Ortiz is nithing compare to cotto. Cotto wll be to strong for the blabbermouth. War Cotto, nitramzaid@hotmail.com
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Old 02-20-2012, 03:24 PM
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Just compare cotto to Ortiz. Ortiz was starting to dominate just in the 4th round, And Ortiz is nithing compare to cotto. Cotto wll be to strong for the blabbermouth. War Cotto, nitramzaid@hotmail.com
Ortiz was not dominating anything in the fourth round, sorry to burst your bubble.
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Old 02-20-2012, 03:29 PM
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Paul proved to me what I suspected to be the case, that he isn't washed up just has flaws that a certain style fighter (slick, counter-punching south-paw) can exploit. No other style fighter has ever really given him that much trouble. Right handed counter-punchers don't have the ability to land the shot that Paul seems to have no defense for. As a huge PW homer who was in attendance for the Lara screw-job I was disgusted for both Lara and PW. Lara because he was denied a win he rightfully deserved, and PW because now for the rest of his career he's going to be haunted by that win he didn't earn and either has to accept the label of a ducker or fight him again and likely get beat again. It would have been much better for all parties had they just scored that thing 116-112 or 117-111 Lara like it really was.
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Old 02-20-2012, 03:34 PM
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Just compare cotto to Ortiz. Ortiz was starting to dominate just in the 4th round, And Ortiz is nithing compare to cotto. Cotto wll be to strong for the blabbermouth. War Cotto, nitramzaid@hotmail.com
Dominate? By the 5th or 6th round Ortiz was gonna be bleeding from one eye, his eyes were already swollen from all the lead right hands and jabs he ate. The young prime Ortiz was getting dominated by a 34 yo mayweather past his prime. Still an exceptional boxer as you saw, the illegal headbutt came pout of frustration.
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Old 02-20-2012, 03:43 PM
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Dominate? By the 5th or 6th round Ortiz was gonna be bleeding from one eye, his eyes were already swollen from all the lead right hands and jabs he ate. The young prime Ortiz was getting dominated by a 34 yo mayweather past his prime. Still an exceptional boxer as you saw, the illegal headbutt came pout of frustration.
U can't say that, anything can happen in boxing.
Floyd was getting dominated by zab in the 1st 4rnds but then adjusted. & Ortiz was landing good strong punches in the fourth.
So don't ride use logic
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Old 02-20-2012, 03:54 PM
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Just compare cotto to Ortiz. Ortiz was starting to dominate just in the 4th round, And Ortiz is nithing compare to cotto. Cotto wll be to strong for the blabbermouth. War Cotto, nitramzaid@hotmail.com
lol, again this troll loser

never thought a 40 year old would troll a website

will you leave the site if floyd wins? please do
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