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Old 02-19-2012, 02:27 AM
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EpixStats provided by CompuBox. WBC heavyweight champion Vitali Klitschko averaged just 22 jabs thrown per round and 5 landed per round, after averaging 44 thrown/12 landed in his previous 8 fights. Vitali also threw 18 fewer total punches per round than in his previous 8 fights. Perhaps an injured shoulder? Give the classless Chisora some credit, he landed 45% of his total punches and 45% of his power shots, but averaged just 30 total punches thrown per round.

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Old 02-19-2012, 09:47 AM
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chisora's body attack really slowed vitali down & put him on the run. chisora is 241 & when they clinched vitali wasn't pushing him around. he never stopped throwing to the body. i know chisora at 261 was out of shape for fury but it's quite surprising how chisora has looked vs helenius & vitali. if he was 241 & fighting like this vs fury i wonder what the outcome would have been then. british heavyweight scene is doing quite well. fury, chisora, price are all under 30 & look to have solid careers ahead of them. chisora has found a decent formula for fighting big men. he may have 3 losses but it''s very early in his career & he will now always be in the mix for a decent fight after these showings. all 3 guys he lost to are 6'7 or taller...
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Old 02-19-2012, 09:52 AM
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I never thought Vitali was any sort of defensive maestro based on the percentage that he has been landed on in his biggest fights, even if he can seemingly shut out lesser foes. Low hands and diminishing reflexes make him an increasingly open target, even for the crude punches of Chisora.

CompuBox is usually wrong, and is probably off here as well, but he did get landed on quite frequently although Chisora's punches lacked the impact that Lewis's had on Vitali. He just didn't let his hands go enough for a boxer who can't rely on power alone to win fights even though he was doing a fair job of putting on the pressure.

Vitali showed impressive workrate for a man of his size and age once again, but the fact that he was being pressured constantly by an opponent unwilling to go down seemed to take its toll. Vitali looked rather tired at the end compared to the rest of his fights where he has largely been in control.

In my estimation Chisora's greatest strength is his ability to take a punch. Not only has he walked through the power of Vitali and Helenius, but seemingly caused them hand injuries as well.
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Vitali was jabbing half has much as he usually did... his left hand was rendered useless for the majority of the fight & he still won comfortably. Vitali didn't get outlanded in any of the 12 rds. It was a very good performance & showed the difference in class between the other giants Chisora has faced. Let's stop making it out to be a bad Vitali Klitschko performance when he actually schooled Chisora in the same manner Wlad schooled Haye... only difference is Vitali had a pushy bobber & weaver coming at him & getting peppered with shots for his trouble.




Vitali now neeeds 3 ko's in a row to tie & 4 to break Marciano's record ko% as he's allowed 3 of the last 5 fighters to hear the final bell.




What won't show up in the stats that is very telling is that Vitali holds the record for MOST fighters in a row retired which now stands at 4. Vitali has retired 5 of the last 13 fighters he's fought. After you fight Vitali.. you never go back for seconds but you do fight fighters that are scared of Vitali in his post fight conferences. Can you belive both Haye & Chisora who btw have BOTH been retired by a Klitschko.... fighting over who had the better performance while each winning no more than 3 rds vs either Bro.... can you say lowlife & LOSERS.. i can!

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Vitali was jabbing half has much as he usually did... his left hand was rendered useless for the majority of the fight & he still won comfortably. Vitali didn't get outlanded in any of the 12 rds. It was a very good performance & showed the difference in class between the other giants Chisora has faced. Let's stop making it out to be a bad Vitali Klitschko performance when he actually schooled Chisora in the same manner Wlad schooled Haye... only difference is Vitali had a pushy bobber & weaver coming at him & getting peppered with shots for his trouble.




Vitali now neeeds 3 ko's in a row to tie & 4 to break Marciano's record ko% as he's allowed 3 of the last 5 fighters to hear the final bell.




What won't show up in the stats that is very telling is that Vitali holds the record for MOST fighters in a row retired which now stands at 4. Vitali has retired 5 of the last 12 fighters he's fought. After you fight Vitali.. you never go back for seconds but you do fight fighters that are scared of Vitali in his post fight conferences. Can you belive both Haye & Chisora who btw have BOTH been retired by a Klitschko.... fighting over who had the better performance while each winning no more than 3 rds vs either Bro.... can you say lowlife & LOSERS.. i can!
Why are you lying? The only fighter Vitali has retired in his last 12 fights is Shannon Briggs. All the others continued having fights after they met Vitali.

And Chisora retired by Klitschko? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
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I never thought Vitali was any sort of defensive maestro based on the percentage that he has been landed on in his biggest fights, even if he can seemingly shut out lesser foes. Low hands and diminishing reflexes make him an increasingly open target, even for the crude punches of Chisora.

CompuBox is usually wrong, and is probably off here as well, but he did get landed on quite frequently although Chisora's punches lacked the impact that Lewis's had on Vitali. He just didn't let his hands go enough for a boxer who can't rely on power alone to win fights even though he was doing a fair job of putting on the pressure.

Vitali showed impressive workrate for a man of his size and age once again, but the fact that he was being pressured constantly by an opponent unwilling to go down seemed to take its toll. Vitali looked rather tired at the end compared to the rest of his fights where he has largely been in control.

In my estimation Chisora's greatest strength is his ability to take a punch. Not only has he walked through the power of Vitali and Helenius, but seemingly caused them hand injuries as well.

Vitali landed the harder shots in the fight & won comfortably... despite Delboy's constant pressuere.. he was walking into shots throughout the night.. had his mouth bloddied & was getting just as gassed as Vitali was trying to push him back all night.. Yes Vitali somehow was jabbing far less than usual as that was the weapon that would've forced the usual stoppage as Dereck could've been taken out of there with the jab softening him up.

Vitali is so great that when an opponent supposedly wins more than 2 rds.. 3 tops..That's the real storyline without the SPIN. ViTALI took on an even more determined Chisora than Helenious did who btw was touted as the number one prospect.. flipped the script on Helenious 's performance vs Chisora with one hand as well & took on a 20lb lighter verion of Chisora that Fury fought & schooled him more thoroughly.
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Why are you lying? The only fighter Vitali has retired in his last 12 fights is Shannon Briggs. All the others continued having fights after they met Vitali.

And Chisora retired by Klitschko? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
Go look at box rec for Vitali's LAST 4 opponents & go to the part WHERE IT SAYS LAST FIGHT & WHO THE OPPONENT WAS.. if it doesn't say Vitali Klitschko's name next to there's i'LL never write here again. One thing i am is NOT a liar... I expect an apology in 15 minutes!!!
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http://www.********boxing.com/news.php?p=30822&more=1By Dave Cacciatore - Sometimes you can learn a lot from a common thug; at least David Haye should have. Dereck Chisora was a trash talking, face slapping, water spitting fiend all the way up until the moments that the first bell sounded in his fight with Vitali Klitschko. He made no apologies but unlike his cornrowed compatriot from London he fought with no apologies either. And for that Chisora earned a certain level of respect that Haye lost when he stepped into the ring with Waldimir Klitschko.

Dereck Chisora did his best to back up his talk in the ring. He lost the vast majority of rounds but he made the fight. He applied constant pressure and was willing to wade into the deep waters with Vitali eating a lot of punches for the real estate needed to have a chance. He showed that he had a chin to take the shots, the heart to survive, and the balls to employ a dangerous strategy to win. This last commodity, balls, is the most precious attribute that a fighter can possess. It is the one that makes people fill up arenas and buy pay-per-views. It is one that the great heavyweights like Holyfield, Frazier, Ali, and Marciano had in great supply. It is the one that is in short supply today.

David Haye needs a large dose of this last quantity because his presence at the post-fight press conference provided the contrast of what a challenger should and should not do. Both Haye and Chisora did their best to disrespect the Klitschkos going into their fights. But only one of them had the balls to show the same disrespect when the fight started. Chisora did not put on his track shoes and run for 12 rounds, he did not only occasionally take swings at glory, and he did not then cry about a bruised toe after the fact.

Chisora did what tough guys do when you challenge them to their face, they come after you. Unlike the refined and gentlemanly nature of the brothers Klitschko, Chisora was ready to physically assault Haye at a public press conference. Not behavior to teach children and young fighters to emulate but the actions of a true thug.

That is the real source of Haye's anger towards Chisora, he is jealous. Not of Chisora's victories in the ring but of who he is outside of it. Chisora was not putting on an act in his behavior toward the Klitschkos; that is the kind of guy he really is. The facade of Haye's thuggery is obvious in how quickly his demeanor changed when the bell sounded and the real fight began.

To be certain Haye has had more victories, more championships, and more success in boxing than Chisora. If they were to meet in the ring not only would Haye be a betting favorite he would probably be the safe pick to win. But outside the ring is a different story and in terms of who fans would want to watch there is no question that people would rather watch a replay of the Chisora's fight with Vitali than a rematch between Haye and Wladimir.

All because only a select few men in the heavyweight division have that most rare and precious commodity today. The Klitschkos have it, so does Arreola, so does Chisora but there are scarcely other examples. And this is the fodder for the critics to endlessly chirp about the poor state of the heavyweights.

There were cracks evident in Vitali's game. Even three years ago could a fighter of Chisora's level pushed him to the distance? And not only to the distance but still throwing hard shots going into the last round? The answer is clearly no. Chisora was a little too slow, a little too short, and was not quite powerful enough to do the job. However, an opportunity is growing for someone with a large enough set of balls.

That commodity that made fans fall in love with Vitali during the Lennox Lewis fight is also the one that is going to get him beat. He would be wise to reassess what else he wants to achieve in the fight game. And he should learn from his old nemesis Lewis of when is the right time to get out. As Vitali knows, Lewis took one fight too many and he came within three minutes of going out on his back but he was smart enough not to step back in the ring not for all the money that the Ukrainian could throw at him. Other fighters have not been so wise, just ask Roy Jones Jr after he won a heavyweight title and beat Antonio Tarver in their first fight.

Balls can lead to greatness or destruction. Old champions need a lot less of it and young challengers need a lot more of it.

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