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Old 02-10-2012, 03:46 PM
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1. Cotto will not outbox Mayweather.
If Cotto attempts to outbox Mayweather Jr, he will be picked apart. Mayweather Jr is a master boxer who cannot be outboxed due to his wide array of skills and defensive wizardry. Cotto will not be able to utilize the same successful strategy he used against much slower fighters such as Clottey, Margarito, Mayorga, and Foreman. If he does, he will get embarassed by the much faster and skilled Mayweather.

2. Cotto cannot handle superior speed.
As witnessed against Pacquiao, Cotto cannot deal with superior speed. Cotto stated that he could not see where Pacquiao's punches were coming from due to the odd angles. Against Mayweather, it will be no different. While Mayweather may not punch from the same odd angles that Pacquiao punches from, he still has a quick hand release and opponents never know what punch is coming at them next. Mayweather's fast pull back counter right hand, lead right hand, jab to the pit of the stomach followed by the left hook up top, shoulder roll-counter uppercut, in addition to everything else he has in his deep bag of tricks, will consistently find its mark repeatedly which Cotto will not be able to deal with. Margarito and Mayorga, who are considered slow handed fighters, were able to hit Cotto more than a fighter of his caliber should get hit.

3. Cotto does not like to get hit anymore.
Miguel Cotto has lost his appetite to take punishment after his first loss against Margarito. He no longer likes to put himself in the line of fire by stalking his opponents and relies more on lateral movement and overusing his legs to get out of harm's way. Against a sharpshooter like Mayweather, he will get hit whether he likes it or not which will lead to him focusing on avoiding the incoming fire from Mayweather thus costing him the majority of the rounds.

4. Cotto's recent subpar opposition.
The public should not be fooled by Cotto's performances against Yuri Foreman, Ricardo Mayorga, and Antonio Margarito. It is nothing more than smoke and mirrors. Foreman and Mayorga are not elite fighters and it showed against Cotto. As for Margarito, Cotto won the fight fair and square but the fact remains that Margarito had a surgically repaired eye and was a few steps slower from the beating Pacquiao gave him. Despite this, he was still able to give Cotto another tough fight. Many wonder if Cotto would have made through the last few rounds had the fight not been stopped. Although Cotto deserves full credit for these fights, let's face it, these 3 fighters are not anywhere near the class of Floyd Mayweather Jr.

5. Cotto has never faced a defensive wizard such as Mayweather.
Given the fact that Cotto has never faced a defensive genius such as Mayweather, it is hard to imagine that he will know how to break down Mayweather's defense. Mayweather's shoulder roll, ability to duck and slip punches, and superior foot speed is something that Cotto has never experienced in his career and it will show come fight night.


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1. Cotto will not outbox Mayweather.
If Cotto attempts to outbox Mayweather Jr, he will be picked apart. Mayweather Jr is a master boxer who cannot be outboxed due to his wide array of skills and defensive wizardry. Cotto will not be able to utilize the same successful strategy he used against much slower fighters such as Clottey, Margarito, Mayorga, and Foreman. If he does, he will get embarassed by the much faster and skilled Mayweather.

2. Cotto cannot handle superior speed.
As witnessed against Pacquiao, Cotto cannot deal with superior speed. Cotto stated that he could not see where Pacquiao's punches were coming from due to the odd angles. Against Mayweather, it will be no different. While Mayweather may not punch from the same odd angles that Pacquiao punches from, he still has a quick hand release and opponents never know what punch is coming at them next. Mayweather's fast pull back counter right hand, lead right hand, jab to the pit of the stomach followed by the left hook up top, shoulder roll-counter uppercut, in addition to everything else he has in his deep bag of tricks, will consistently find its mark repeatedly which Cotto will not be able to deal with. Margarito and Mayorga, who are considered slow handed fighters, were able to hit Cotto more than a fighter of his caliber should get hit.

3. Cotto does not like to get hit anymore.
Miguel Cotto has lost his appetite to take punishment after his first loss against Margarito. He no longer likes to put himself in the line of fire by stalking his opponents and relies more on lateral movement and overusing his legs to get out of harm's way. Against a sharpshooter like Mayweather, he will get hit whether he likes it or not which will lead to him focusing on avoiding the incoming fire from Mayweather thus costing him the majority of the rounds.

4. Cotto's recent subpar opposition.
The public should not be fooled by Cotto's performances against Yuri Foreman, Ricardo Mayorga, and Antonio Margarito. It is nothing more than smoke and mirrors. Foreman and Mayorga are not elite fighters and it showed against Cotto. As for Margarito, Cotto won the fight fair and square but the fact remains that Margarito had a surgically repaired eye and was a few steps slower from the beating Pacquiao gave him. Despite this, he was still able to give Cotto another tough fight. Many wonder if Cotto would have made through the last few rounds had the fight not been stopped. Although Cotto deserves full credit for these fights, let's face it, these 3 fighters are not anywhere near the class of Floyd Mayweather Jr.

5. Cotto has never faced a defensive wizard such as Mayweather.
Given the fact that Cotto has never faced a defensive genius such as Mayweather, it is hard to imagine that he will know how to break down Mayweather's defense. Mayweather's shoulder roll, ability to duck and slip punches, and superior foot speed is something that Cotto has never experienced in his career and it will show come fight night.

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Cotto doesn't have a chance on paper because floyd is the best fighter of his generation and he has all the tools to beat Cotto whether he chooses defense first or coming foward.
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1. Cotto will not outbox Mayweather.
If Cotto attempts to outbox Mayweather Jr, he will be picked apart. Mayweather Jr is a master boxer who cannot be outboxed due to his wide array of skills and defensive wizardry. Cotto will not be able to utilize the same successful strategy he used against much slower fighters such as Clottey, Margarito, Mayorga, and Foreman. If he does, he will get embarassed by the much faster and skilled Mayweather.


Itll be interesting to see. I think it would be a bigger mistake to just go at mayweather. Lets see cotto box, moving away/changing angles, giving floyd something he doesnt usually see. Make him be the agressor, etc.

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2. Cotto cannot handle superior speed.
As witnessed against Pacquiao, Cotto cannot deal with superior speed. Cotto stated that he could not see where Pacquiao's punches were coming from due to the odd angles. Against Mayweather, it will be no different. While Mayweather may not punch from the same odd angles that Pacquiao punches from, he still has a quick hand release and opponents never know what punch is coming at them next. Mayweather's fast pull back counter right hand, lead right hand, jab to the pit of the stomach followed by the left hook up top, shoulder roll-counter uppercut, in addition to everything else he has in his deep bag of tricks, will consistently find its mark repeatedly which Cotto will not be able to deal with. Margarito and Mayorga, who are considered slow handed fighters, were able to hit Cotto more than a fighter of his caliber should get hit.
Funny, i remember people were saying the same thing when cotto fought mosley. He was too fast, way better footwork, hands too quick, too strong, etc. Some people never learn i guess.

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3. Cotto does not like to get hit anymore.
Miguel Cotto has lost his appetite to take punishment after his first loss against Margarito. He no longer likes to put himself in the line of fire by stalking his opponents and relies more on lateral movement and overusing his legs to get out of harm's way. Against a sharpshooter like Mayweather, he will get hit whether he likes it or not which will lead to him focusing on avoiding the incoming fire from Mayweather thus costing him the majority of the rounds.
Who the fuk likes to get hit? He takes hard shots and keeps fighting, end of that story.

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4. Cotto's recent subpar opposition.
The public should not be fooled by Cotto's performances against Yuri Foreman, Ricardo Mayorga, and Antonio Margarito. It is nothing more than smoke and mirrors. Foreman and Mayorga are not elite fighters and it showed against Cotto. As for Margarito, Cotto won the fight fair and square but the fact remains that Margarito had a surgically repaired eye and was a few steps slower from the beating Pacquiao gave him. Despite this, he was still able to give Cotto another tough fight. Many wonder if Cotto would have made through the last few rounds had the fight not been stopped. Although Cotto deserves full credit for these fights, let's face it, these 3 fighters are not anywhere near the class of Floyd Mayweather Jr.
And this is somehow a knock on cotto? Keep in mind, many people picked each of those three opponents to beat miguel, howd that turn out? In yuri foreman he outboxed a good undefeated boxer, and beat all three comfortably. In his last three fights, how many rounds has he lost? I could probably count them on one hand


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5. Cotto has never faced a defensive wizard such as Mayweather.
Given the fact that Cotto has never faced a defensive genius such as Mayweather, it is hard to imagine that he will know how to break down Mayweather's defense. Mayweather's shoulder roll, ability to duck and slip punches, and superior foot speed is something that Cotto has never experienced in his career and it will show come fight night.
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Which is why i think he is gonna give mayweather something he doesnt usually see. Instead of trying to go through him, make him be the agressor.

He's a better boxer and smarter than floyd has faced in a long ass time, add to that he still has the tools to win.
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1. cotto isn't that good
He was good enough to not fight without a CW to drain him , he was now good enough to be Mannys first choice of opponent until Cotto refused to be drained again and thats against the P4P No 1 lol .

Maybe you should reword your comment because its not appropriate , from Cotto not being good enough to Floyd is too good , its getting to the point Floyd is ragged on because he his too good , its a joke that Manny is glorified for draining Cotto and then ducking him with another CW and Floyd going up and fighting him at the full 154 is ragged on , something seriously wrong in fandom .
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Floyd is going to beat Cotto because he's the better all around fighter. Floyd would beat Pacquiaos ass just as bad as Morales, Torrecampo and Singsurat did.
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1. I don't think Cotto has to necessarily outbox Floyd to beat him. I think he needs to keep Floyd busy and on the move. If he sits in front of Floyd all night, it's obviously going to be a long night for Cotto. Though Cotto tends to get hit more than he should, he also never leaves a fight without marking up his opponent himself (even Pacquiao). He's much craftier than people give him credit for and knows how to create openings.

2. Cotto's actually fought well against speed fighters. Manny Pacquiao, whether you think he's a ham and egger or not, is still a dynamic puncher who's power is underestimated even at Welterweight. I think Cotto couldn't handle the amount of punches along with the speed he was throwing. Floyd fights completely different. I would go as far to say Cotto may have an easier time with Floyd's speed (which is really more his timing more than how fast Floyd is. We've seen the fastest Mayweather, and isn't based on the last 3 yrs) than with Pacquiao's.

3. Besides Margarito maybe, What fighter "likes" getting hit??? LOL but I will say Cotto's scar tissue can be an issue if Floyd is landing consistently throughout the fight. My issue with Floyd is how active he's going to be and if he'll be in front of Cotto like he was with Mosley and Ortiz.

4. Cotto hasn't faced the best opposition he could, but then again Floyd himself hasn't been fighting world beaters himself more than 2 quality names (which you can dissect, but I choose not to) and a young, inexperienced fighter. Cotto has the experience of being under the big lights in high profile fights. Cotto's also fought any and everyone besides Mayweather at 147 with 2 losses (1 tainted). Not too bad if you ask me.

5. True, Cotto has never faced someone with Floyd's defense. To me that is his biggest challenge in the fight. Can Cotto land to the body to slow Floyd down? Will Cotto implement some low blows or dirty tactics if he gets hurt (I'm sure Floyd will have the usual up his sleeve)? Will Cotto's jab (double, triple) be effective on Floyd? Will Floyd stand in and trade with Cotto?

As I've stated prior, I favor Floyd but I think it'll be one of Floyd's toughest fight in years.

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Floyd will cruise to a UD because he's just better in every conceivable category.
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