|02-05-2012, 01:50 PM||#21|
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Those specific fighters?
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|02-05-2012, 01:59 PM||#22|
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Or a shot Mosley & Ortiz as well. No need to discuss further.
Floyd dominated Marquez because he was supposed to. Like I said Marquez is a lightweight. Floyd is a full blown welterweight. But that alone tells why Marquez is better than Pacman pfp. He is a lightweight that beat the supposed pfp king 2 weight classes north of where he belonged.
|02-05-2012, 02:18 PM||#23|
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Im impressed by what Ward has done but these arent super duper wins. They just arent. Most peole thought Ward would kick Froch's basic ass just like he did. Again, he lost to Kessler & shouldve lost to Dirrell. I give Ward credit for that win as Froch is an overachiever but he's not some great fighter. Neither guy to me is much over Victor Ortiz if they are at all. You just see them in a different light.
How can you say Mosley was shot vs Floyd when he had just killed Margarito? Its easy to call someone shot after the fact but going into that fight everyone thought that was a big time fight. You cant take away credit from a guy after the fact. If Mosley is shot then you could easily say that Floyd is the one who shot him but ofcourse no one will look at it like that.
Margarito & Mosley for Pac arent great wins but the Cotto & Clottey fight before that were pretty darn good wins and Im not with the dissin of Pac because he went 12 hard rounds with a great fighter in JMM. Again, you think he's a great fighter. Dont give me this LW stuff. You dont think he can succeed at 140?
Then you might respond by saying he can succeed there but he's not a real 140 pounder but I say the same can be said about Floyd & Pac. Just like Floyd is about to go to 154 and only come into the ring at probably a 150 pounds again and still win. If youre great then you can fight above your natural weights. Dont give JMM more credit than you do the other 2 who have done it way more and are still doing it to some degree
|02-05-2012, 02:37 PM||#29|
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Tough tough question. It really depends. If I have to base it on these fighters performances in sat 2011 and now, I would have to put Ward first (even ahead of Pac and possibly of PBF). If I have to weigh in entire careers, it is (after PBF and PAC) clearly JMM followed by either Martinez or Donaire, with Ward trailing.
Honestly this question really goes to show how subjective (and hence kinda pointless) p4p is.
|02-05-2012, 02:45 PM||#30|
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However, I think Gamboa would fit in behind JMM in terms of talent.
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