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A series of CIA memos describes how Israeli Mossad agents posed as American spies to recruit members of the terrorist organization Jundallah to fight their covert war against Iran.

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Buried deep in the archives of America's intelligence services are a series of memos, written during the last years of President George W. Bush's administration, that describe how Israeli Mossad officers recruited operatives belonging to the terrorist group Jundallah by passing themselves off as American agents. According to two U.S. intelligence officials, the Israelis, flush with American dollars and toting U.S. passports, posed as CIA officers in recruiting Jundallah operatives -- what is commonly referred to as a "false flag" operation.

The memos, as described by the sources, one of whom has read them and another who is intimately familiar with the case, investigated and debunked reports from 2007 and 2008 accusing the CIA, at the direction of the White House, of covertly supporting Jundallah -- a Pakistan-based Sunni extremist organization. Jundallah, according to the U.S. government and published reports, is responsible for assassinating Iranian government officials and killing Iranian women and children.

But while the memos show that the United States had barred even the most incidental contact with Jundallah, according to both intelligence officers, the same was not true for Israel's Mossad. The memos also detail CIA field reports saying that Israel's recruiting activities occurred under the nose of U.S. intelligence officers, most notably in London, the capital of one of Israel's ostensible allies, where Mossad officers posing as CIA operatives met with Jundallah officials.

The officials did not know whether the Israeli program to recruit and use Jundallah is ongoing. Nevertheless, they were stunned by the brazenness of the Mossad's efforts.

"It's amazing what the Israelis thought they could get away with," the intelligence officer said. "Their recruitment activities were nearly in the open. They apparently didn't give a damn what we thought."

Interviews with six currently serving or recently retired intelligence officers over the last 18 months have helped to fill in the blanks of the Israeli false-flag operation. In addition to the two currently serving U.S. intelligence officers, the existence of the Israeli false-flag operation was confirmed to me by four retired intelligence officers who have served in the CIA or have monitored Israeli intelligence operations from senior positions inside the U.S. government.

The CIA and the White House were both asked for comment on this story. By the time this story went to press, they had not responded. The Israeli intelligence services -- the Mossad -- were also contacted, in writing and by telephone, but failed to respond. As a policy, Israel does not confirm or deny its involvement in intelligence operations.

There is no denying that there is a covert, bloody, and ongoing campaign aimed at stopping Iran's nuclear program, though no evidence has emerged connecting recent acts of sabotage and killings inside Iran to Jundallah. Many reports have cited Israel as the architect of this covert campaign, which claimed its latest victim on Jan. 11 when a motorcyclist in Tehran slipped a magnetic explosive device under the car of Mostafa Ahmadi Roshan, a young Iranian nuclear scientist. The explosion killed Roshan, making him the fourth scientist assassinated in the past two years. The United States adamantly denies it is behind these killings.

According to one retired CIA officer, information about the false-flag operation was reported up the U.S. intelligence chain of command. It reached CIA Director of Operations Stephen Kappes, his deputy Michael Sulick, and the head of the Counterintelligence Center. All three of these officials are now retired. The Counterintelligence Center, according to its website, is tasked with investigating "threats posed by foreign intelligence services."

The report then made its way to the White House, according to the currently serving U.S. intelligence officer. The officer said that Bush "went absolutely ballistic" when briefed on its contents.

"The report sparked White House concerns that Israel's program was putting Americans at risk," the intelligence officer told me. "There's no question that the U.S. has cooperated with Israel in intelligence-gathering operations against the Iranians, but this was different. No matter what anyone thinks, we're not in the business of assassinating Iranian officials or killing Iranian civilians."

Israel's relationship with Jundallah continued to roil the Bush administration until the day it left office, this same intelligence officer noted. Israel's activities jeopardized the administration's fragile relationship with Pakistan, which was coming under intense pressure from Iran to crack down on Jundallah. It also undermined U.S. claims that it would never fight terror with terror, and invited attacks in kind on U.S. personnel.

"It's easy to understand why Bush was so angry," a former intelligence officer said. "After all, it's hard to engage with a foreign government if they're convinced you're killing their people. Once you start doing that, they feel they can do the same."

A senior administration official vowed to "take the gloves off" with Israel, according to a U.S. intelligence officer. But the United States did nothing -- a result that the officer attributed to "political and bureaucratic inertia."

"In the end," the officer noted, "it was just easier to do nothing than to, you know, rock the boat." Even so, at least for a short time, this same officer noted, the Mossad operation sparked a divisive debate among Bush's national security team, pitting those who wondered "just whose side these guys [in Israel] are on" against those who argued that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."

The debate over Jundallah was resolved only after Bush left office when, within his first weeks as president, Barack Obama drastically scaled back joint U.S.-Israel intelligence programs targeting Iran, according to multiple serving and retired officers.

The decision was controversial inside the CIA, where officials were forced to shut down "some key intelligence-gathering operations," a recently retired CIA officer confirmed. This action was followed in November 2010 by the State Department's addition of Jundallah to its list of foreign terrorist organizations -- a decision that one former CIA officer called "an absolute no-brainer."

Since Obama's initial order, U.S. intelligence services have received clearance to cooperate with Israel on a number of classified intelligence-gathering operations focused on Iran's nuclear program, according to a currently serving officer. These operations are highly technical in nature and do not involve covert actions targeting Iran's infrastructure or political or military leadership.

"We don't do bang and boom," a recently retired intelligence officer said. "And we don't do political assassinations."

Israel regularly proposes conducting covert operations targeting Iranians, but is just as regularly shut down, according to retired and current intelligence officers. "They come into the room and spread out their plans, and we just shake our heads," one highly placed intelligence source said, "and we say to them -- 'Don't even go there. The answer is no.'"

A spate of stories in 2007 and 2008, including a report by ABC News and a New Yorker article, suggested that the United States was offering covert support to Jundallah. The issue has now returned to the spotlight with the string of assassinations of Iranian nuclear scientists and has outraged serving and retired intelligence officers who fear that Israeli operations are endangering American lives.

"This certainly isn't the first time this has happened, though it's the worst case I've heard of," former Centcom chief and retired Gen. Joe Hoar said of the Israeli operation upon being informed of it. "But while false-flag operations are hardly new, they're extremely dangerous. You're basically using your friendship with an ally for your own purposes. Israel is playing with fire. It gets us involved in their covert war, whether we want to be involved or not."

The Israeli operation left a number of recently retired CIA officers sputtering in frustration. "It's going to be pretty hard for the U.S. to distance itself from an Israeli attack on Iran with this kind of thing going on," one of them told me.

While many of the details of Israel's involvement with Jundallah are now known, many others still remain a mystery -- and are likely to remain so. The CIA memos of the incident have been "blue bordered," meaning that they were circulated to senior levels of the broader U.S. intelligence community as well as senior State Department officials.

What has become crystal clear, however, is the level of anger among senior intelligence officials about Israel's actions. "This was stupid and dangerous," the intelligence official who first told me about the operation said. "Israel is supposed to be working with us, not against us. If they want to shed blood, it would help a lot if it was their blood and not ours. You know, they're supposed to be a strategic asset. Well, guess what? There are a lot of people now, important people, who just don't think that's true."


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That's not what "false flag" means. Well... it seems that the conspiretard definition of "false flag" means "America does it" so I suppose it probably is.
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That's not what "false flag" means. Well... it seems that the conspiretard definition of "false flag" means "America does it" so I suppose it probably is.
Right on cue Squeal .....

False flag operations are a classic tool of deception and espionage. Intelligence agencies are usually linked to most false flag terrorism.

False flag terror by a state upon its own population can be a powerful tool of control. False flag operations can range from intentional provocation or “letting things happen,” all the way up to outright orchestration.

Probably the most basic motive for a false flag incident would be to frame the enemy for an act of aggression or barbarism in order to justify a supposed “defensive” response. It is essentially a way of making it appear that the other side “threw the first punch.”
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False flag operations are a classic tool of deception and espionage. Intelligence agencies are usually linked to most false flag terrorism.
"False flag" has its roots in naval piracy where the pirate would wear the colours of a nation friendly to their target only to haul them down and hoist the black flag of piracy once within attacking range. It has come to mean any attack which is perpetrated by a nation pretending to be another nation. It's a military term, not something involved in espionage. Unless you're a conspiretard.

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False flag terror by a state upon its own population can be a powerful tool of control.
For example assassinating physicists and then blaming the jews? Oh... oh no,... oh no, Iran would never do such a thing, oh no, false flag attacks only happen when it's the evil jews or the jewnited states of jewmerica doing them, Iran never would!

Do you see why conspiracy theories are idiotic now?

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Really? So when Iran tests a medium range missile or when North Korea sends up an ICMB or when Hezbollah launches a salvo of rockets at Israel those are all "false flag" operations?

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or “letting things happen,” all the way up to outright orchestration.

Probably the most basic motive for a false flag incident would be to frame the enemy for an act of aggression or barbarism in order to justify a supposed “defensive” response. It is essentially a way of making it appear that the other side “threw the first punch.”
So the jews (I won't deign to use your euphemisms like "Israel" or "Zionists") are orchestrating false flag operations by paying people to be enemies of their state but they're doing so while pretending to be other enemies? Silly teens.
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"False flag" has its roots in naval piracy where the pirate would wear the colours of a nation friendly to their target only to haul them down and hoist the black flag of piracy once within attacking range. It has come to mean any attack which is perpetrated by a nation pretending to be another nation. It's a military term, not something involved in espionage. Unless you're a conspiretard.



For example assassinating physicists and then blaming the jews? Oh... oh no,... oh no, Iran would never do such a thing, oh no, false flag attacks only happen when it's the evil jews or the jewnited states of jewmerica doing them, Iran never would!

Do you see why conspiracy theories are idiotic now?



Really? So when Iran tests a medium range missile or when North Korea sends up an ICMB or when Hezbollah launches a salvo of rockets at Israel those are all "false flag" operations?



So the jews (I won't deign to use your euphemisms like "Israel" or "Zionists") are orchestrating false flag operations by paying people to be enemies of their state but they're doing so while pretending to be other enemies? Silly teens.
You seem to have a problem staying on topic ... probably because in your mind, everything is either a conspiracy or some jew-hating scheme.

Try reading the article, first especially the parts where CIA officials confirmed both the report and the actions.

IN ESSENCE, THIS IS DOCUMENTED FACT That cannot be disputed via GOOGLE.
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You seem to have a problem staying on topic ... probably because in your mind, everything is either a conspiracy or some jew-hating scheme.

Try reading the article, first especially the parts where CIA officials confirmed both the report and the actions.

IN ESSENCE, THIS IS DOCUMENTED FACT That cannot be disputed via GOOGLE.
Funnily enough I did check google. This entire blog is totally unsupported apart from by bald assertions. There are links throughout that go to other blogs but this "documented fact" is undocumented opinion.

I blame the jews.
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Funnily enough I did check google. This entire blog is totally unsupported apart from by bald assertions. There are links throughout that go to other blogs but this "documented fact" is undocumented opinion.

I blame the jews.
oh really!!!!

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Google has failed you again piggy .....
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Google has failed you again piggy .....
It's a blog post affiliated to a magazine. Unsupported opinion.

But I'm glad that you think that Iran is responsible for killing their own physicists in a false flag operation.
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muslim extremist group working for mossad?


that's gonna kill their recruiting.


gotta admire the balls on mossad though.

they can do stuff the c.i.a. can only dream of , with far fewer resources and a fraction of the budget.
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