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Old 01-11-2012, 02:57 PM
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Israel hasn't threatened anyone with destroying them. Israel is an independent state that is surrounded by countries that want to destroy it and have already tried.

Israel is the only working Democracy int he region.

Please don't compare Israel to Iran. If Iran wanted to be a part of the international community it would be much different, instead they chose to go rogue like N Korea and it's not going to be good in the long run.

Iran wants the bomb, plain and simple.
lmao nice way to tip toe around the very simple question I asked! It's ok for israel to have nukes, assassinate political leaders, activists, etc etc etc but Iran TALKS about something and they are in the wrong. Hypocrite!

There is no LOGICAL way of defending israel for it's war crimes, none.
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Old 01-11-2012, 02:59 PM
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lmao nice way to tip toe around the very simple question I asked! It's ok for israel to have nukes, assassinate political leaders, activists, etc etc etc but Iran TALKS about something and they are in the wrong. Hypocrite!
Let me ask you a serious question. I find you to be a smart poster (one of the few on here)

Why are you as an American so for socialism, anti American and stand up for countries like Iran, regimes like the one's in Venezuela etc.

Just curious because I have read a lot of your posts and always wondered why.
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Old 01-11-2012, 03:00 PM
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Israel wasn't mentioned by any of the world press, funny how people in here like to blame them when normally car bombs fit Iran itself's style more.
I'm sure they are completely blameless .....

If you were to keep up with worldly events and occurrences, you would know why Israel gets mentioned whenever the US is making moves against Middle-Eastern countries. These countries do not have the capacity to threaten the US in any way militarily, but they are in a position to threaten Israel.

I was going to write more .... but what's the use!?!?
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how is iran any worse of a country than israel (the only difference is one is a US ally and the other is not)? assassinating scientists isn't exactly a good way in avoiding a war with iran now is it? seems like it would only have an opposite effect in the long run.
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1972 Ghassan Kanafani Palestinian writer and a leading member of the PFLP, assassinated by car bombing.

1973 Mohammad Boudia, Black September operations officer, Killed by pressure-activated mine under his car seat.

1979 Ali Hassan Salameh, High-ranked leader in the PLO, Killed by car bomb,[11] along with four bodyguards and four innocent bystanders.

1980 Yehia El-Mashad, Egyptian nuclear scientist, lecturer at Alexandria University, car bomb

2001 Amr Hadiri, Hamas student activist, Missiles fired at car.

2002 Khan Yunis, Senior Hamas member, missile attack on car.

2006 Mahmoud al-Majzoub, Commander of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Injured in car bombing, and died the next day.

2008 Imad Mughniyah, Top Hezbollah commander, Killed by car bomb

2010 Mohammed Nimnim, Army of Islam commander, killed by car bomb


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...assassinations
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did israel go about getting their nukes in a proper way? Yes or no will suffice. Thanks!


At the end of the day, the facts are Iran, the people who run that country have publicly stated that ISRAEL HAS NO RIGHT TO EXIST.

WTF is Irael and its allies suppose to do when that said country is trying to acquire nuclear weapons?

Iran is lucky that its only getting surgical strikes against nuclear personal and it hasnt been ****ing invaded already with that kind of rhetoric and its actions in trying to acquire nuclear weapons.

Its bad enough that pakistan already has nuclear weapons, you want iran, a country known for sponsoring terrorism and is continually belligerent towards the U.S. (the country that you live in), and run by crazy nefarious religious nut jobs to be nuclear armed?

Its ****king 2012. If you are not gonna act like a civilized human ****ing being and keep saying crazy sh*t like a country has no right to exist YOU DESERVE TO ****ING GET OBLITERATED.
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Let me ask you a serious question. I find you to be a smart poster (one of the few on here)

Why are you as an American so for socialism, anti American and stand up for countries like Iran, regimes like the one's in Venezuela etc.

Just curious because I have read a lot of your posts and always wondered why.
my political beliefs have nothing to do with this debate, as it's an ECONOMICAL system I'm in favor of nothing more nothing less (Albert Einstein was a socialist and a great deal of other people you know, has no difference if I'm a democrat, a socialist or whatever the hell). Further I don't stand up for Iran, however I am pointing out the hypocrisy with Israel.
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Damn, Israel isn't fukin around. They do not want a nuclear Iran and it's going to get ugly real soon.
that's what happened before they bombed iraq's nuclear power plant.


they did little things first.

assassinating scientists , sabotaging equipment , etc.

in the end , they ended up sending a squadron of f-15's and f-16's over.
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my political beliefs have nothing to do with this debate, as it's an ECONOMICAL system I'm in favor of nothing more nothing less. Further I don't stand up for Iran, however I am pointing out the hypocrisy with Israel.
You didn't answer the question. I will ask another one. Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

Because this is the point I want to make. I live in Miami now, and I see this young white hipsters with the Che Guevara t shirts and they are constantly talking about how the U.S is imperialistic and they defend Hugo Chavez and Iran's right to attain a nuclear weapon and all that other nice cuddly stuff.

Yet they have never lived in any of these places and the ones who have (for example the people I work for that are Venezuelan who were forced out of their land, arrested and kicked out of the country because they didn't want to relinquish the company they built from the ground up to the government for no reason other than they wanted it) always talk about how terrible it is to live there. How they can't advance, aren't free and always have someone looking over their shoulder.

I think a lot of these systems work on paper but they just aren't realistic because humans fukin suck. No matter what system, humans find a way to corrupt it for their own benefit.

I have lived in 3rd world countries and if I learned one thing, I learned how happy I am to live in the U.S.
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You didn't answer the question. I will ask another one. Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

Because this is the point I want to make. I live in Miami now, and I see this young white hipsters with the Che Guevara t shirts and they are constantly talking about how the U.S is imperialistic and they defend Hugo Chavez and Iran's right to attain a nuclear weapon and all that other nice cuddly stuff.

Yet they have never lived in any of these places and the ones who have (for example the people I work for that are Venezuelan who were forced out of their land, arrested and kicked out of the country because they didn't want to relinquish the company they built from the ground up to the government for no reason other than they wanted it) always talk about how terrible it is to live there. How they can't advance, aren't free and always have someone looking over their shoulder.

I think a lot of these systems work on paper but they just aren't realistic because humans fukin suck. No matter what system, humans find a way to corrupt it for their own benefit.

I have lived in 3rd world countries and if I learned one thing, I learned how happy I am to live in the U.S.

You are basically describing every single tea party dolt and republican, and anybody who supports glen beck and rush limbaugh. Always complaining about how bad america is when they havent lived a single second in any other country.

I too have spent time in multiple third world countries and am very lucky to be in america. There's no other place to be.
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