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Old 01-04-2012, 02:18 PM
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WHEN YOU ARE OFFENSIVE, YOU HAVE TO GIVE UP SOME THINGS DEFENSIVELY. THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT.

OF COURSE AN OFFENSIVE FIGHTER WON'T HAVE THE LUXURY OF SITTING BACK AND POTSHOTTING. it's not their style.


I'd say Pacquiao is extremely efficient being offensive while being defensive. It is all in his footwork.


Watch his fights with Oscar, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey, Margarito and Shane.... None of those guys landed huge punches on Pacquiao at all.


Julio Cesar Chavez Jr is another great example. Someone who is an extremely crafty offensive fighter.
You really do show your ignorance when you claim fighters like Pernell Whitaker had no offense. But you're at home doing this in here.
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Old 01-04-2012, 02:19 PM
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It's definitely a skill and one that is unjustly maligned at times.

Having said that, I think skills and technique in general are on the decline in the sport.
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Old 01-04-2012, 02:20 PM
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the truth is offensive fighters are more exciting to watch..the best boxing matches in history involved two guys giving it their all to knock the other guy out..ward vs gatti trilogies, thrilla in manila, hagler vs hearns, etc.


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Old 01-04-2012, 02:23 PM
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I'm about to blow the TS' world up by saying this... Pacquiao's offense isn't even that great! Sugar Ray Leonard had great offense, Thomas Hearns had great offense, Duran had great offense. Pacquiao, although he has good offensive tools his offense is not great. He often leads with his head when throwing his straight left leaving himself open to a counter left hook. His right hand is overrated as you could tell by the Marquez fight because Marquez was never dazed by Pacquiao's right hook.

Of course Marquez had more bruising in their fight, Pacquiao threw almost al of his punches exclusively to Marquez's face. While Marquez split his offense by going to both Pacquiao's face and body. Well rounded fighters must have great defense because great offense alone can only take you so far. By your logic TS Willie Pep would be one of the most overrated fighters in history. Did you know he won a round by not throwing a single punch?


lol @ this garbage blowing anything but goat dicks.


So he doesn't have great offense compared to a handful of ATG's? Uh huh...... do you want to tell me more einstein?



P4P Pacquiao's offense is among the greatest in history. He has certain things other ATG's don't have either. Duran or Julio Cesar Chavez does not have his mobility.


You keep bringing up the Marquez fight as if it's something.

Guess what Ali had Norton. He arguably beat Norton 3 times. Does that mean historically Norton is on Ali's level?

What about Jake Lamotta? Skill wise, is he on Ray Robinson's level just because they had a bunch of close fights?



Marquez still never beat Pacquiao and his offense didn't win him any fights. Pacquiao walked him down. Simple as that.


Offense wins fights.




LOL @ bringing up Willie Pep winning a round without throwing a single punch as any kind of credible evidence. If boxing evolved to have all 12 rounds like that, would anybody even watch?


Don't bring exceptions to the rule son. You're out of your league.
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Old 01-04-2012, 02:24 PM
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You really do show your ignorance when you claim fighters like Pernell Whitaker had no offense. But you're at home doing this in here.
He had no offense.

Look at his KO ratio. That is a testiment to his commitment to coast to decisions and his lack of power. Period.


#'s don't lie.
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Old 01-04-2012, 02:26 PM
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He had no offense.

Look at his KO ratio. That is a testiment to his commitment to coast to decisions and his lack of power. Period.


#'s don't lie.
Just so we're clear.

Unless you're knocking people out, you don't have offense... is that correct?

Yeah... #'s don't lie.

Neither does ignorance.
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Old 01-04-2012, 02:27 PM
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He had no offense.

Look at his KO ratio. That is a testiment to his commitment to coast to decisions and his lack of power. Period.


#'s don't lie.
Offense isn't power.
Don't try to grasp too hard to make a point
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Old 01-04-2012, 02:28 PM
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Offense isn't power.
Don't try to grasp too hard to make a point
You are telling me Offense is not FIRE POWER?


GTFOH clowns.
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Old 01-04-2012, 02:29 PM
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He had no offense.

Look at his KO ratio. That is a testiment to his commitment to coast to decisions and his lack of power. Period.


#'s don't lie.
KO's are not the only form of offense. But you're the typical NSB poster that believes this. You can't win a fight with no offense.But you're obviously too stupid to know this. If you actually watched his fights instead of googling his KO percentage you might realize how stupid you sound.

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Just so we're clear.

Unless you're knocking people out, you don't have offense... is that correct?

Yeah... #'s don't lie.

Neither does ignorance.
KO POWER = FIRE POWER


When you drop a machine gun power or nuclear bomb, you have more offense than revolver.


okay thanks. come back when you grow a brain
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